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Re: [TowerTalk] Ground System

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Ground System
From: "Roger (K8RI)" <K8RI-on-TowerTalk@tm.net>
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 03:03:20 -0400
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>According to literature from Polyphaser, if the ground systems are 
>separated
>by more than 75 feet, they don't "see each other", so it doesn't make sense

I think they are exagerating the 75 feet.  Remember that key word 
"business".
I think they make a good product and I use some, but I also think some of 
their information is a bit misleading.

It is true when looking at rapid rise times they (house and tower) will see 
less of each other the farther apart they are located, BUT they still do see 
each other. Typical rise times equate to a frequency containing the major 
portion of the energy of roughly one MHz. Also if the cables tying the tower 
to the station ground consist of a series of ground rods and side branches 
it will bleed off or "sink" a lot of the energy into the ground before 
reaching the house/station. Therefore to me it makes good sense to tie them 
together.

I've mentioned a number of times how often the big tower/array gets hit. It 
averages 3 verified hits a year. Tht is hits some one has seen. How many 
times it's actually been hit I don't know. I do know there are no 
unprotected coax connectors up there that have any plating left on them. and 
you can no loger get a PL-259 to screw onto the unused ports of the remote 
antenna switch. Next  time there will be protection over the connectors.

>to bond them. I believe the reason is that the inductance of the connecting
>wire or strap is too great at that length to allow the systems to float to
>the same potential.

It's not so much the inductance but rather the wave length.  If they are far 
enough apart the rise and fall  times are are such that even were the path 
strictly resistive the delta T  makes them appear as seperate entities for 
all practical purposes. That distance is one whale of a lot farther than 75 
feet. OTOH with a major strike, not one of the typical ones, the voltage 
difference across a few feet can be substantial. So, depending on how you 
view it, or the impression you wish to create, you could make the same 
statement for 10 feet as you can certainly get enough voltage difference to 
wipe out solid state equipment.

>I hadn't read that tidbit when I installed my first tower system, so I laid
>265 feet of 1/0 wire at the bottom of the trench to connect the tower 
>ground

"To me" I'd say 250 feet is approaching where I *might* consider not tying 
them together, but more than likely I'd push to at least 300 feet. Even then 
I'd most likely make it a run consisting of a network to bleed off the 
charge which insulated coax in PVC conduit will not.   From the base of my 
tower to the entrance groundging bulkhead is over 75 feet. I have two bare 
copper cables (one on each side) paralleling the conduit run from the tower 
to the house. Those cables tie to the grounding plate which is the single 
point ground for everything. There are runs perpendicular to those cables 
that run out into the yard as well.  Most of the back yard is one big 
grounding network with 32 or 33 ground rods CadWelded(TM) to well over 600 
feet of bare copper.

>to the single point ground at the house. I'm pretty sure that was
>unnecessary (I like to think of it as a really long horizontal ground rod.)
>When I installed my new tower this year, which is about 225 feet from the
>shack, I omitted the bonding wire. I was convinced not only by Polyphaser's
>argument, but also by the fact that the outer conductors of the two 1-5/8"

Are those outter conductors bare?

>runs of heliax between the tower and shack would undoubtedly present a much
>lower impedance path back to the shack than any wire or strap I could lay 
>in

Impedance is only a part of the equation. I think we rely far too much on 
just the "impedance" of that connection when for longer, well designed runs 
the majority of the energy is disipated into the ground.
Do those outer conductors have the current carrying capacity of the wire or 
strap?
Do they provide a way to bleed off the charge?

>the trench. I'm hoping the tower ground system is robust enough to 
>dissipate
>any surges that may occur.

It will (In most cases) if the system is well designed and covers a wide 
enough area.

Just remember a coax with an insulated jacket is a conductor straight into 
your house while the bare copper is a path to ground that also goes to the 
house.

>73, Dick WC1M

73

Roger (K8RI)

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