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[TowerTalk] statistics Re: Divining rods

To: Frosty <frosty1@pdq.net>
Subject: [TowerTalk] statistics Re: Divining rods
From: jimlux <jimlux@earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 07:19:46 -0700
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Frosty wrote:
> Statistics is also calculated guess work. You can make statistics give any 
> answer you want.
> 
> 
> Charles F. Frost
> Frosty K5LBU
> frosty1@pdq.net
> 

not really.
You can create misleading statistics or leave something out, but in 
general, the whole point of statistics is to characterize something and 
more important, to characterize the variability.

Take tower engineering...  we talk about using metal of some particular 
yield strength, but it's not like we actually test the metal being used 
(if for no other reason than the test is destructive).. no, you rely on 
the manufacturer of the material to have sufficiently good process 
controls (using statistics) that their prediction of the strength of 
what they ship you will be higher than the spec (most of the time).

If you're a bit more paranoid, you might do a coupon test  (that is, 
take a sample of what you got shipped and do an analysis on it).. but 
that is still depending on statistics: you're using a sample to 
represent the whole.

The concrete tests alluded to this morning are the same.. And there, the 
advice was to use the fact that a sample is being done to "keep the 
vendor honest"


I think the problem is that understanding how  statistics work isn't 
necessarily intuitive, nor is it really covered in school (although I 
will say that both my children, ages 13 and 17, have had fairly decent 
coverage of statistics in their math and science classes..), and, more 
to the point, people who have the public ear (e.g. writers and 
politicians; Mark Twain attributed the famous "lies, damn lie, and 
statistics" to Benjamin Disraeli, one time prime minister of the UK) 
tend NOT to have the background in statistics.

Add to this that statistics can be grossly misused, relying on the "it 
has numbers so it must be right" sort of thing to bolster a 
fundamentally unsound argument  (correlation vs causality, and things 
along the lines of 100% of murder victims were born, so birth causes murder)

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