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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Beverage Antenna
From: Patrick Greenlee <patrick_g@windstream.net>
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 13:35:35 -0600
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Joe. Thanks for that info. Your comments and those of others make it to start not looking good for putting a Beverage wire a couple feet above one of my fences. I might still try maybe 8 ft above the top wire of the fence. What do you think of that? Having the Beverage above the fence, even at 8 ft or more above the top wire is quite attractive as: 1. The fence posts would be easier to extend than to come up with anew just for the Beverage. 2. We are a working cattle ranch and structures have to withstand cattle bumping them or chewing on them (They ate my Dish TV coax, a garden hose, and the wires of a remote weather station. It would be a pain to have to wrap PVC posts in barbed wire to be able to have them away from an existing fence. and then they would be in the way of haying. 3, Running a Beverage on its own would require an installation with the wire's lowest part of its catenary above the reach of the cattle and deer.

A lone T-post or PVC pipe becomes a scratching post and will get shoved over. Our fence posts survive because they have 5 strands of 4 point barbed wire stretched tight and secured to them. It is uncomfortable to push on the barbed wire.

If I were to install a Beverage with its own posts then as a minimum I would have to have a single strand of hot wire at around 24 inches above grade. Then you have to switch the hot wire off to use the antenna because of the once a second 10Kv+ pulses and the RF noise you get. The herd would have to be rounded up and put elsewhere because if the hot wire is off too long they figure it out and ignore the wire creating more repair work to detract from Ham projects. Too much hassle.

Sad story, huh? Not really as there are tradeoffs like room to spare, no neighbor closer than 1/4 mile, no permits for antennas or towers, no CC&Rs, no homeowner's assoc, you can pee off the front porch and do anything you want on the back porch, target shoot up to and over 1000 meters (or yds) and no one will complain. The down side is the difficulty of finding help. I am one of the two hams in my zip code and the other guy is not in good physical shape. There isn't an electronics store better than Radio shack (a 2 on a scale of 10) within 100 miles. Not a Ham store or store with a ham or electronic hobbyist department to my knowledge in the state. Staples is the computer store for this area and that is a 60 mile round trip. Best Buy is nearly a 100 mile round trip, and those are the best we have.

Would I want to move closer to civilization.  NO WAY!!!

Many thanks to those who have shared their experience, knowledge and or opinions in response to my questions. I will find a way to experiment with a Beverage.

Patrick   NJ5G



On 2/3/2015 7:55 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

I'm curious to know if the fence would act similar to good
conductivity dirt WRT Beverage performance.

Anecdotal reports over the years (~ 30?) of Beverage antennas over
an existing conductive wire/fence indicates that performance lags
that over moderate earth.  The degradation comes from two apparent
modes: 1) the (typically larger) fence picks up noise and couples it
to the Beverage and 2) the the conductive nature of the fence upsets
the velocity factor (wave tilt) resulting in a shorter effective
length with lower signal strengths and broader patterns.

73,

  ... Joe, W4TV


On 2015-02-03 8:39 AM, Patrick Greenlee wrote:
Chuck, A very good point.

That is the essence of my interest in the effect of having some parallel
grounded conductors (5 strand barbed wire fence with steel posts) a
short (TBD) distance below the beverage antenna. I'm curious to know if
the fence would act similar to good conductivity dirt WRT Beverage
performance.

If not, then what if the antenna wire were mounted above 3 parallel but
horizontally spaced conductors looking for the beginnings of the effect
that would be achieved theoretically with our old friend the infinite
conductive plane over which we mount our verticals?  Why 3? Because it
would be easy to put a strand of wire on either side of the top strand
of barbed wire using readily available inexpensive plastic insulating
arms made expressly for adding electric fence wire to a fence built with
T-posts. With a little more fussing I could attach 2 wires either side
of the center wire giving a better approximation of the infinite plane.
One of our experts can maybe tell  me if the parallel grounded wires
need to be tied together laterally or if that would matter.

Patrick      NJ5G


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