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Re: [TowerTalk] [Bulk] Re: Rotator Choice for Larger Yagi

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] [Bulk] Re: Rotator Choice for Larger Yagi
From: David Gilbert <xdavid@cis-broadband.com>
Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 10:36:17 -0700
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That's the concern I would have with some of those systems.  Unless 
there is mechanical loss in the coupler (damping), the energy it 
momentarily decouples gets stored and returned to the system ... with at 
least the theoretical possibility that it adds to forces in the other 
direction.  I thought I read somewhere long ago that some rotator 
manufacturers stopped offering such couplers for that very reason ... 
but I'm old and could be mistaken.  ;)
Dave   AB7E



On 5/4/2016 8:39 AM, Grant Saviers wrote:
You ask a very important question. Can these handle the static axial load of mast and antennas?
http://www.wholesaleimportparts.com/driveshaft.php for a picture of 
one with mating assemblies.
A complexity is how the shaft (mast) is supported either side of the 
coupling as I don't think they are designed to handle large sideways 
torques or axial thrust - i.e. each shaft is held in alignment by two 
bearings which also control the axial dimension, which would not be 
the case in using one above a rotator and something else at the tower 
top.  If the something else was a tube sleeve then it constrains the 
angle the mast can attain, but not the axial dimension.  If the 
something else is the typical "thrust bearing" then the shaft can move 
to some surprising angles, but does have axial constraint.  In neither 
case would a HyGain or Yaesu design rotator really be two bearings 
holding its output "shaft", except when the dead (axial) load is 
sufficient to keep the races tight under all circumstances.  Other 
rotator designs have constrained shafts with two or more bearings.
The common "Lovejoy" coupling is another version of a rubber isolated 
coupling in common use in many sizes.  Again, it is used where both 
shafts are rigidly constrained radially and axially.  A Lovejoy is 
specified to handle x degrees of misalignment and y thousands of an 
inch of shaft offset, at an rpm and torque value. I think those are 
the primary objectives, not shock absorption.  A Lovejoy is not 
intended to take axial loads, so would be a bad choice without shaft 
constraints.
The picture of the driveshaft components also leads me to suspect that 
pins, not bolts are the shaft to coupling connection, so the intent is 
no axial load on the rubber coupling.
The link recently posted 
http://m4.i.pbase.com/v3/91/283791/1/50045854.P0001095.JPG shows a 
rubber coupler design with what appears to have solutions to the 
issues above.  The tube above the rotator clearly doesn't turn and it 
appears to have a bearing at the end for the mast inside. Looking 
closely, it appears the end of the mast has a spline that mates with 
the top attachment to the coupling.  Thus, no thrust load can be 
placed on the coupling.
A tower with antennas is a very complex dynamic system - many masses 
and springs and few energy absorption elements.  My reasoning is the 
shock and vibration loads cause the destruction from high amplitude 
oscillations or when hard stops are hit - rotator brakes and gears all 
have backlash.  Loose mast and boom clamps and rotator bolts are 
another source.  Peened out shear pin holes are a sure sign of problems.
Another concern with a rubber isolator is it adds another spring (with 
low damping) into a system that has unknown dynamic properties.  It is 
an offset to the benefit of the rubber isolator ability to reduce the 
peak torque values by spreading a shock pulse energy out over time.    
Another potentially large force can be created by adding a "balancing 
weight" at the end of a boom, so the boom is statically balanced at 
the mast attachment.  However, that adds a weight on the end of a 
cantilever beam spring, when the other element masses are distributed 
along it.   I've seen it done to ease of tramming the antenna, but 
adding to the rotational inertia is not good.
One also might question what these couplings are really designed to 
do.  Shock transients are large amplitude low frequency content 
events.  Vibrations are small amplitude higher frequency and usually 
continuous.  Rubber isolators generally don't have much damping at low 
frequencies, which are what I see when my aluminum starts waving 
around in a storm.
Another idea is to adapt a rubber spring torsion axle as an isolator.  
These are used on smaller trailers and can handle loads in multiple 
axis.  Again, with very limited damping loss.
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200649004_200649004

Grant KZ1W
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