[Amps] Beware of seller orzel-enterprises on eBay

[David Kirkby]

On 11 September 2012 15:06, Carl <km1h at jeremy.mv.com> wrote:
> Youre better off to have items like that sent to someone else in the USA who
> will make the effort to package properly. AND if it arrives there damaged
> UPS will pick it up and return to sender at no additional expense. I dont
> know if they will do that for international.
>
> Carl
> KM1H

Paypal insist items are sent to the registered address on the account,
so I could not do that.

Also, the damage is not apparent until the box is opened.

I can't really involve someone else - that will just complicate matters.

I think in future, I will find out the sizes of expensive items (easy
with HP), and then work out a minimum possible size of a box. If the
box arrives smaller, I'll refuse to take it, on the basis the package
is too small for the size of the object.

Dave, G8WRB

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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Kirkby" <david.kirkby at onetel.net>
> To: "amps" <amps at contesting.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 8:54 AM
> Subject: [Amps] Beware of seller orzel-enterprises on eBay
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>> I hope the list admin does not mind me posting it, but I feel the
>> information will be useful to readers of this group, as the eBay
>> seller orzel-enterprises sells electronic items which might be
>> purchased by hams.
>>
>> I would advise anyone to think twice before purchasing from him. This
>> is how he shipped an HP vector network analyzer and S-parameter test
>> set which I won on an auction for $2750. It was shipped from the USA
>> to the UK.
>>
>>
>> http://boxen.math.washington.edu/home/kirkby/damaged-VNA-by-inadequate-packaging/badly-shipped-8753A-and-85046A.jpg
>>
>> Note the box is far too small, and so obviously both units suffered
>> damage. It was shipped by UPS, who state on their web pages that there
>> needs to be at least 2" of packing around an item, and it must be at
>> least 2" from the side of the box. (I can't quite see how you put 2"
>> around it, and get it closer than 2" to the side of the box!)
>>
>>
>> http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/resources/ship/packaging/guidelines/how_to2.html
>>
>> I don't know the full extent of the damage, but one handle is broken
>> off, two are bent, and the unit will not power up.
>>
>> orzel-enterprises takes no reponsibility for this, and originally
>> expected me to ship it back at my expense, and still pay the shipping
>> charges from the USA. So I'd pay for two international shipments, as
>> well as customs
>> duties.
>>
>> After I pointed out Paypal would expect him to pay the original
>> shipping to me, he has agreed to refund the USA -> UK shipping
>> charges, but he still expects me to pay the UK -> USA shipping costs.
>> I object to this, since it was his total stupidity the equipment got
>> damaged. I don't see why I should pay for someone elses stupidity.
>>
>> Dave, G8WRB.
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