re Shetland
burns
burns
Tue Jan 28 19:45:27 EST 2003
From: NAME: Andy Burns
FUNC: Research and Development
TEL: 0324 493981 <BURNS,AL at A1@GRRD04>
To: "cq-contest at tgv.com"@rcwi01 at mrgate@grrd04
de GM0ECO
GS4TMS,GM3YOR,GM0RHP and myself were all mainland Scotland stations if
that's any help. If you have any specific calls you want to check to see
if they were in Shetland, send me the list and I'll get back to you.
Andy
burns_al at grrd04.dnet.bp.com
>From tsf at druhi.ATT.COM Wed Dec 2 20:53:00 1992
From: tsf at druhi.ATT.COM (tsf at druhi.ATT.COM)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:27 2003
Subject: cqww fun
Message-ID: <mailman.13.1043801127.8266.cq-contest at contesting.com>
Effective QRP class (100w to attic dipoles - max len 47')
Band Q/Z/C
160/80 zippo
40 13/7/5
20 44/15/18
15 59/15/21
10 153/24/48
Total 115,668 pts fun rating: 9 out of 10
Highlights:
5 new countries yeah! 9H1, D44, A22, C9, and TU4.
I finally nabbed YE2C and HT1T around 2330 on Sunday when
the competition died down.
KH0AM's patience when the cat walked across my keyer hand causing me
to fumble the exchange and mess up his run rate.
And right after that, HC8N finally heard me at about 2200 on Sunday
A nice 10m JA run on Saturday aft - lots of very familiar calls.
Lowlights:
All the others I had to give up on.
Other:
Heard all you big gunners all over the place. Your hugely loud signals
kept the rcvr front end nicely overloaded. Congrats on the nice scores.
N2IC with wobbly straight key 10wpm? Visitor to Steve's shack? :-)
Tom n0gos
>From oo7 at astro.as.utexas.edu Wed Dec 2 22:49:58 1992
From: oo7 at astro.as.utexas.edu (Derek Wills)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:27 2003
Subject: cqww
Message-ID: <9212030449.AA01810 at astro.as.utexas.edu>
Effective QRP class (100w to attic dipoles - max len 47')
Tom n0gos
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sorry, Tom, that's not the QRP class, it's the "cruddy dipole" category.
Boy, did I get annoyed with the local who has a short call but insisted
on adding "/QRP", and sending the thing twice, right on top of the guy I
was calling. The other guy would come back to me first, but I couldn't
tell he was doing it. Eventually I made sure to work stuff before I
spotted it on the local cluster, even though I was only in the noodling
category.
Anyone heard Trey on the bands since the contest? I'm hoping he hasn't
been trampled by an HC8 turtle. I can imagine his wanting to do a bit
of sight-seeing while he's there, but not all the time. Perhaps he has
been on the dreaded ssb or something? He's due back in W6 late Thursday,
although since he didn't know he was going to HC8 (rather than HC) until
just before he left, perhaps he extended his stay to take in the turtles
as well.
Derek aa5bt
>From n6tv at vnet.ibm.com Wed Dec 2 23:27:22 1992
From: n6tv at vnet.ibm.com (Robert A. Wilson)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:27 2003
Subject: More S/O Calif. Scores, CQ WW CW
Message-ID: <mailman.14.1043801127.8266.cq-contest at contesting.com>
W6EEN (KA6SAR, op.) 2.23M S/O, unassisted
N6ND (his nephew, op.) 2.1M S/O, unassisted
Anyone know the call of N6ND's nephew?
73,
Bob, N6TV
>From rhealy at arrl.org Thu Dec 3 07:22:52 1992
From: rhealy at arrl.org (Rus Healy NJ2L)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:27 2003
Subject: Breakdowns
Message-ID: <11597 at jwh>
Anybody catch K3WW's or K2SX's bottom lines for the CW contest?
They were both in the Single Operator Unlimited category.
Thanks in advance.
Derek:
You'll like an article in the next NCJ by Chris Page, G4BUE, on
QRP contesting. He puts signing "/QRP" in the proper perspective.
It's really funny, if you think about it, how silly some of our
learned behavior patterns have become. :')
--73, Rus, NJ2L
>From mraz at maverick.aud.alcatel.com Thu Dec 3 08:57:45 1992
From: mraz at maverick.aud.alcatel.com (Kris Mraz)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:27 2003
Subject: 10-meter contest
Message-ID: <9212031457.AA08540 at maverick.aud.alcatel.com>
Thanks to all who responded with their "tips". As Derek pointed out, you don't
need a band plan for this one. However, one might consider that 10m has cw,
novice cw, phone, and novice phone bands. Given the point differentials, what
is a good plan for working these "bands"? When do you stop running and start
search&pouncing for multipliers? (I guess that's a generic question for any
contest).
We'll be multi-single in this one. Hi-power, TS-850, 14 el LP at 60 ft. It's
going to be for fun but still hoping we'll beat the local competition (who
happens to be reading this). :-(
Kris, AA5UO '~ ~`
mraz at rockdal.aud.alcatel.com L
J
>From craigr at marlin.nosc.mil Thu Dec 3 06:59:27 1992
From: craigr at marlin.nosc.mil (Raymond D. Craig)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:27 2003
Subject: More S/O Calif. Scores, CQ WW CW
Message-ID: <9212031459.AA04961 at marlin.nosc.mil>
> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 92 23:27:22 PST
> From: n6tv at vnet.ibm.com (Robert A. Wilson)
> To: CQ-CONTEST at TGV.COM
> Subject: More S/O Calif. Scores, CQ WW CW
>
> W6EEN (KA6SAR, op.) 2.23M S/O, unassisted
> N6ND (his nephew, op.) 2.1M S/O, unassisted
>
> Anyone know the call of N6ND's nephew?
>
> 73,
> Bob, N6TV
>
>
Close, but the op at N6ND was Kurt Andress, NI6W, no relation. I do have
two nephews who are crack CW ops, KK6BB and KC6CNV, both sons of W6TMD.
73, Rick, N6ND
>From Doug.Grant at analog.com Thu Dec 3 11:03:00 1992
From: Doug.Grant at analog.com (Doug.Grant at analog.com)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:27 2003
Subject: re Shetland
In-Reply-To: The letter of Wednesday, 2 December 1992 11:04pm ET
Message-ID: <m0mxHy0-0000NnC at ibm_gate.analog.com>
Found GM0DJI Sunday with a big pileup. Turns out he's a Shetlander, and
apparently the only one worked in the WW.
>From sellington at mail.ssec.wisc.edu Thu Dec 3 11:29:28 1992
From: sellington at mail.ssec.wisc.edu (sellington)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:27 2003
Subject: XY3ABC/QRP
Message-ID: <mailman.15.1043801127.8266.cq-contest at contesting.com>
A couple times, a /QRP station made a point of REPEATING his call with the
/QRP, when I responded with only his (correct) call. That wastes time
twice!
Scott K9MA
>From ua3dpx at mosbos.msk.su Thu Dec 3 19:10:13 1992
From: ua3dpx at mosbos.msk.su (Andy_Melanyin)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:27 2003
Subject: More scores...
Message-ID: <ABrzZ7huf5 at mosbos.msk.su>
CQ WORLD WIDE DX SSB CONTEST 1992
CALL: UX3D (low power) COUNTRY: European Russia
MODE: SSB CLASS: SO-LP
BAND QSO QSO PTS ZONES COUNTRIES
160 47 57 7 26
80 166 208 10 45
40 112 165 13 50
20 285 458 28 72
15 308 565 19 67
10 145 310 24 60
================================================
Totals 1063 1763 101 320
Final score : 1763 * (101 + 320) = 742.223
CQ WORLD WIDE DX CW CONTEST 1992
CALL: UX3D (low power) COUNTRY: European Russia
MODE: CW CLASS: SO-LP
BAND QSO QSO PTS ZONES COUNTRIES
160 89 115 8 32
80 283 354 15 46
40 204 362 24 68
20 328 609 26 64
15 244 451 31 72
10 151 318 23 53
================================================
Totals 1299 2209 127 335
Final score : 2209 * ( 127 + 335 ) = 1.020.558
Equipment Description:
RA3AO transciever+100W linier,4ei Triebender for HF&invVee 80/40
Dipole-160m,Delta Loop-160. (All about 45m up)
Club Affiliation: Moscow dx Team: RUSSIAN BEAR BABIES
Worked about 43 hours in each contest.
73 ! Andy V.Melanyin (UA3DPX) UX3D, That was the last opportunity
of using the special call in the year 1992, in ARRL 10m I'll be with
my regular call.
The team RUSSIAN BEAR BABIES consisted of 5 SO stations:
1. UX3D so-lp
2. UA3AB so-lp (910q, about 700k)
3. RB5QF so-high power (2400q, 141z, 429c, about 2,5 M)
4. UB5QMA so-high power(1650q, 510mult, about 1,7 M)
5. RZ9UA so-20m-high power(2100q, 38z, about 120c, about 800k)
These are not final calculation for only two of us were using computers for
logging.
One of these days I'll try to find out scores of some m/s stations such as
UX1A etc.
RK3B - m/s (CQ WW CW) - 2,5M
RK3B - m/s (CQ WW SSB) - 3,5M
RK3A - m/s (CQ WW CW) - 2,1M
>From larryt at ateq.com Thu Dec 3 08:58:03 1992
From: larryt at ateq.com (Larry Tyree x 7210)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:27 2003
Subject: Questionable multipliers
Message-ID: <9212031658.AA00840 at ateq.com>
If one of these is deemed to be removed from your log, certainly you would
loose multiplier credit, but I disagree that you should still get the QSO
points. You might of worked someone somewhere, but who is to say that you
didn't copy the call wrong, or that the persone didn't have a license, or
that he was a dupe??
Since a valid exchange of information did not take place, there was no real
contact made and you would loose the QSO credit as well.
Also, there would be no penalties assessed, unless it is determined that the
call you worked was a busted call.
BTW, I seem to be a new member of the CQ Contest Committee, so whlie this
is not an official answer, it is somewhat informed (although I am sure I
will be more informed as time goes on).
Larry "TREE" Tyree N6TR _. _.... _ ._. _.._. __...
islabs!ateq!larryt at sequent.com
work (503) 526-7210 home (503) 658-6012 fax (503) 526-7202
My views are not those of General Motors, IBM, HP or most other sane people.
>From oo7 at astro.as.utexas.edu Thu Dec 3 12:17:57 1992
From: oo7 at astro.as.utexas.edu (Derek Wills)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:27 2003
Subject: QRP
Message-ID: <9212031817.AA03024 at astro.as.utexas.edu>
We sort of thrashed this out on r.r.a.m. some months ago, and many
people agreed that running 5 watts into a good antenna produces the
same signal as 100 watts into a low dipole at a poor location, and
there is no reason to amend your call in any way to indicate the
latter, so why the former. The opposing view was that it is something
that distinguishes your call in the pile, perhaps like being a YL or
having an echo box, and that you should do whatever helps you to get
the QSO when you are weak.
I can tell you what Trey does - as him QSL mgr I get a number of requests
for me to put "/QRP" after someone's call on the card. Trey doesn't log
the /QRP part, because it takes time and because it is not part of a call
sign, whereas /MM or /KP4 definitely are. What I do is to make out the card
with the person's actual call, and then put something like "fb ur 1 watt"
at the bottom of the card.
I've operated with 5 watts and less on occasion, and never bothered to mention
it to the other person unless they comment on the puny signal or we get into
a ragchew (i.e. exchange names and QTH :-) ). I'll put "5 watts" on my QSL
card, in the same way as someone might mention "indoor dipole". I personally
think it's out of place, and an annoyance to everyone else, to use "/QRP" in
a contest - the other guy doesn't get more points for contacting you, and if
you are weaker than most people - well, you are weaker than most people, so
you take your chances along with everyone else. I have a lot more respect
for someone if I find out during the exchange that they are QRP (sending "Q"
in the SS exchange, or 59905 in the ARRL DX contest), I have less if they
double the time it takes to send their call because of adding a qualifier
at the end.
Gee, I'm ready for another contest already - see you at the weekend!
Derek AA5BT
>From tsf at druhi.ATT.COM Thu Dec 3 12:05:00 1992
From: tsf at druhi.ATT.COM (tsf at druhi.ATT.COM)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:27 2003
Subject: to qrp or not to qrp
Message-ID: <mailman.16.1043801127.8266.cq-contest at contesting.com>
I have the cruddy 47' stealth dipole setup, and although
I get a big thrill working a JA on 80, there's
no way I'll sign /QRP (or EQRP :-)). I feel bad enough having
to repeat when they guess N0? or N0GOH. And on
phone it's usually N0GAS which roughly describes
the signal, but still busted.
However after all this talk about keeping calls
short, I'm reminded of how many times I spun the dial
past w2jo/...... this past weekend without realizing he was DX.
Tom n0gos
>From oo7 at astro.as.utexas.edu Thu Dec 3 13:31:13 1992
From: oo7 at astro.as.utexas.edu (Derek Wills)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:27 2003
Subject: penalty
Message-ID: <9212031931.AA05552 at astro.as.utexas.edu>
Eric K3NA asks:
If you work someone who insists on signing their call "WZ3ABC/QRP"
and you write only "WZ3ABC" in the log, will the log checkers consider
that a busted call?
Surely not. The local that I mentioned would send his call once, then send
it again with /QRP appended, he could have been picked up either way. I taped
some of HC8N's operating, and there is one point where a station signing
/QRP several times is ignored in favor of others with shorter calls, finally
calls without the /QRP appended and is worked immediately. It could just be
coincidence of course. There are other sad things on the tape - someone
with a long call sending it slowly, and by the time the last dit is sent,
HC8N has already come back to someone else and sent them 59910. The poor
person with the long call hears nothing but silence each time he or she
finishes sending the call. Moral: if you want to work the serious people,
keep your calls short. If your callsign is a long one, send it fast, send
it once, and don't embellish it in any meaningless way.
I would hope not, since the /QRP is not a legally-required part of
the callsign in any country that I am aware of....
Yes, I think that is exactly the point.
Derek aa5bt
>From winter at apple.com Thu Dec 3 11:43:01 1992
From: winter at apple.com (Patty Winter)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:27 2003
Subject: QRP
Message-ID: <9212031943.AA27801 at apple.com>
I can tell you what Trey does - as him QSL mgr I get a number of requests
for me to put "/QRP" after someone's call on the card. Trey doesn't log
the /QRP part, because it takes time and because it is not part of a call
sign, whereas /MM or /KP4 definitely are.
More importantly, how the hell can *he* tell whether someone
was really operating QRP?
What I do is to make out the card with the person's actual call, and
then put something like "fb ur 1 watt" at the bottom of the card.
That's particularly nice of you. If it were me, I wouldn't
do it for the same reason stated above.
Patty
>From craigr at marlin.nosc.mil Thu Dec 3 13:05:02 1992
From: craigr at marlin.nosc.mil (Raymond D. Craig)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:27 2003
Subject: penalty
Message-ID: <9212032105.AA02953 at marlin.nosc.mil>
As a former log checker on the CQ Contest Committee, I can tell you how
I handled pirate calls and such. If the call is obviously a pirate (like a
ZA 5 years ago) then you lose the multiplier and the QSO points. The stn
is obviously not licensed under that call and the rules do not permit Q's
with unlicensed or non-amateur stns. There is no additional penalty.
If someone wants to send /QRP, that's their option. Your option is to not
log it as /QRP. It is not considered part of the callsign when checking for
busted calls.
I personally think it's poor practice to sign /QRP and I sure as hell don't
cut 'em any slack for chosing to make my copying harder. It's tough enough
trying to copy weak stns without adding 4 more characters to the call. The
combination of QRP and poor antennas really irritates me. I think without
exception the successful QRPers have spent the time to put up decent antennas.
But then the same can be said for the successful QROers.
Tree, you have my sympathy with your log checking tasks. It's fun but
awful time consuming. Good luck.
73 Rick, N6ND
>
> Another question:
>
> If you work someone who insists on signing their call "WZ3ABC/QRP" and you
> write only "WZ3ABC" in the log, will the log checkers consider that a
> busted call?
>
> I would hope not, since the /QRP is not a legally-required part of the
> callsign in any country that I am aware of....
>
> -- k3na
>From rhealy at arrl.org Thu Dec 3 16:04:34 1992
From: rhealy at arrl.org (Rus Healy NJ2L)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:27 2003
Subject: Signing "/QRP"
Message-ID: <11642 at jwh>
Derek, AA5BT, says:
>I personally
>think it's out of place, and an annoyance to everyone else, to use "/QRP" in
>a contest - the other guy doesn't get more points for contacting you, and if
>you are weaker than most people - well, you are weaker than most people, so
>you take your chances along with everyone else. I have a lot more respect
>for someone if I find out during the exchange that they are QRP (sending "Q"
>in the SS exchange, or 59905 in the ARRL DX contest), I have less if they
>double the time it takes to send their call because of adding a qualifier
>at the end.
I agree 1000%, Derek! Couldn't have said it better myself.
Rus, NJ2L
>From rhealy at arrl.org Thu Dec 3 16:10:36 1992
From: rhealy at arrl.org (Rus Healy NJ2L)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:27 2003
Subject: Questionable multipliers
Message-ID: <11647 at jwh>
Tree, N6TR, says:
>If one of these is deemed to be removed from your log, certainly you would
>loose multiplier credit, but I disagree that you should still get the QSO
>points. You might of worked someone somewhere, but who is to say that you
>didn't copy the call wrong, or that the persone didn't have a license, or
>that he was a dupe??
I differ with this outlook. If you, in good faith, exchanged the
contest exchange with another station, you should get credit for
the QSO points unless: (1) It can be proven to be a dupe or
busted call; or (2) if it falls under some other part of the
contest rules that specify that the QSO is invalid. (For instance,
if your country forbade you from contacting stations in another
specific country and you did so, thus violating the "I operated
my station in accordance with the rules for Amateur Radio in my
country" clause on the summary sheet.) In this case, the station
in question (a P5) just happens to be a rare one that's a
multiplier for everyone he works. In the case of a station
operating from a country that's not recognized by the ARRL DXCC
program, WAE committee or other pertinent multiplier-list-making
entity, the contest committee may have no choice but to disallow
country credit and Zone credit for *everyone* who works that
station. But if they can't demonstrate that the station was, in
fact, unlicensed or a slim, I feel that they are obligated to
give everyone QSO credit based on the contest rules (ie, 1, 2 or
3 points). Conversely, by the reasoning in the first paragraph,
every single QSO for which the other station doesn't submit a log
(a large percentage of any serious participant's QSOs) is also
subject to removal from your log, because there's no way to prove
that you didn't bust the call or that the person you worked didn't
have a license. (Of course, the computer takes care of the dupe
checking.) If QSOs come out of my log for reasons other than
being dupes or proven (checked) busted calls or exchanges, I
get pissed off.
My point is that, just because you work someone who is operating
from a questionable location doesn't mean that you should lose
the QSO points you earned by working the station in good faith,
especially if the continent from which that person operated (since
we're talking about CQ WW) is widely known (or accepted by the
contest committee).
>Since a valid exchange of information did not take place, there was no real
>contact made and you would loose the QSO credit as well.
I believe that a valid information exchange *did* take place if
you worked the station in good faith, exchanged the contest
exchange with him or her, and logged the contact appropriately.
>Also, there would be no penalties assessed, unless it is determined that the
>call you worked was a busted call.
This point seems to be non-controversial.
I guess I should point out that I'm a person who seldom enters a
controversy that I don't think is worth getting worked up about.
This (like most) is one that doesn't warrant getting agitated.
The reason I spoke up on this one is this: All that really matters
to me is that the CQ committee treats *all* the logs, including
those they don't check, exactly the same way. If they decide to
let the P5 multipliers and points slide, or remove them both, or
any combination thereof, that's okay with me. What's important to
me is that *everyone* gets treated the same way.
>BTW, I seem to be a new member of the CQ Contest Committee, so whlie this
>is not an official answer, it is somewhat informed (although I am sure I
>will be more informed as time goes on).
Glad to hear it! The Committee needs new blood, and I, for one,
feel that you're well qualified to serve there. I hope you don't
find yourself buried beyond hope in paperwork! :')
--73, Rus, NJ2L
>From sellington at mail.ssec.wisc.edu Thu Dec 3 16:25:18 1992
From: sellington at mail.ssec.wisc.edu (sellington)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:27 2003
Subject: questionable multipliers
Message-ID: <mailman.17.1043801127.8266.cq-contest at contesting.com>
To: ERIC.L.SCACE at sprintintl.sprint.com
I can see losing the QSO points, without further penalty, if the station
worked is proven to be unlicensed. But what if I work a licensed operator,
but claim the wrong multiplier? For example, I might work a GM0, and
mistakenly believe he was in the Shetlands. In that case, I think I
should still get the QSO credit. If the GM0 sends in his log, and it
shows I copied his call wrong, I should suffer the penalty. Now, to
make things more interesting, suppose the GM0 does not send in his
log, but a call very similar appears in several others' logs. Determining
whether he could possibly have been in the Shetlands shouldn't be too
hard, but should I be penalized for a broken call? Maybe I copied it
wrong, or maybe everyone else worked GM0ABC but I really did work GM0UBC, who
didn't happen to work anyone else whose logs were checked. (Not that
my scores are ever high enough to warrant such scrutiny, either.)
Scott K9MA
>From steven at ulysses.atmos.coloState.edu Thu Dec 3 16:24:08 1992
From: steven at ulysses.atmos.coloState.edu (Steven London)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:27 2003
Subject: QRP !
Message-ID: <9212032324.AA02236 at ulysses.atmos.coloState.edu>
Since the subject of /QRP has come up, I can't help but to go on a tangent.
Back in the good old days of contesting, we went out of our way to be as
LOUD as possible. We took pride in tweaking our antennas for the last
tenth of a dB. Even if all we had was an attic dipole, we moved it
another foot away from the house wiring. If we had an amplifier, we
didn't hesitate to use it.
Suddenly, QRP categories have come into vogue. We think we are making
great accomplishments by tormenting everyone else with our puny signals -
which are puny only by our choice. Why ????? Do we feel that there is
no sense competing in the same category as the high power stations
and their megabuck antenna farms ? I know TVI/RFI is a pain, but virtually
everyone I know can run 100+ watts before that gets to be a serious problem.
I would really like to see the QRP categories eliminated. Let's add
categories based on maximum antenna height and/or boom length. Let's
use peer pressure to keep top contesters from intentionally handicapping
themselves with poorer antennas than they are capable of having. We need
to improve the state-of-the-art, and not stagnate just so we can win
a certificate in a category that is below our potential.
Steve, N2IC/0
>From n6tv at vnet.ibm.com Thu Dec 3 12:54:05 1992
From: n6tv at vnet.ibm.com (Robert A. Wilson)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:27 2003
Subject: /QRP no, /T /N yes
Message-ID: <mailman.18.1043801127.8266.cq-contest at contesting.com>
I agree, sending /QRP is poor practice. I am not aware of any award
sponsor that requires /QRP on the QSL cards. If there is one, please
identify the sponsor here so we'll know who to blame.
On the other hand, sending /N or /T after your call for Novice or
Technician licensees is required in the Novice Roundup so that they
can be distinguished from other participants. The /N or /T isn't
really "part of the callsign," but it is the one instance I know
where sending extras really helps.
73,
Bob, N6TV
>From craigr at marlin.nosc.mil Thu Dec 3 15:42:58 1992
From: craigr at marlin.nosc.mil (Raymond D. Craig)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:27 2003
Subject: questionable multipliers
Message-ID: <9212032342.AA13735 at marlin.nosc.mil>
If you enter the wrong multiplier, the checker will correct the multiplier
with no penalty. In the example, you wud get credit for Scotland if that's
where he was actually located. The checker may or may not search the rest
of your log to determine if you worked another station in the Shetlands. If
you have a good dupe sheet that he can check quickly, you might get credit.
The checker may have several boxes of logs to go thru and he just can't spend
too much time on one log.
The logs that get very close scrutiny are those that are new records or where
there are two or more logs in close competion for a certificate. If it's
really close, and you claim GM0UBC for Shetland and no one else worked him,
then the committee may send a letter to GM0UBC asking him what stations he
worked over a some time period.
If you are unsure about whether to claim a multiplier, my advice is to claim
it and put a note in your soapbox or comments. It may be removed but you
won't be penalized. (Remember VR0M about 10 years ago, worked 'em several
years in a row in the ARRL CW, claimed it every time and never had the score
reduced!) If you don't claim the country, it's very unlikely that the checker
will search your log for it and add it to your totals.
> Date: 3 Dec 92 16:25:18 U
> From: sellington at mail.ssec.wisc.edu (sellington)
> Subject: RE: questionable multipliers
> To: CQ-CONTEST at TGV.COM
>
> To: ERIC.L.SCACE at sprintintl.sprint.com
>
> I can see losing the QSO points, without further penalty, if the station
> worked is proven to be unlicensed. But what if I work a licensed operator,
> but claim the wrong multiplier? For example, I might work a GM0, and
> mistakenly believe he was in the Shetlands. In that case, I think I
> should still get the QSO credit. If the GM0 sends in his log, and it
> shows I copied his call wrong, I should suffer the penalty. Now, to
> make things more interesting, suppose the GM0 does not send in his
> log, but a call very similar appears in several others' logs. Determining
> whether he could possibly have been in the Shetlands shouldn't be too
> hard, but should I be penalized for a broken call? Maybe I copied it
> wrong, or maybe everyone else worked GM0ABC but I really did work GM0UBC, who
> didn't happen to work anyone else whose logs were checked. (Not that
> my scores are ever high enough to warrant such scrutiny, either.)
>
> Scott K9MA
>
>
>From price at cod.nosc.mil Thu Dec 3 15:47:33 1992
From: price at cod.nosc.mil (James N. Price)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:27 2003
Subject: QRP !
In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu Dec 3 15:26:47 1992
Message-ID: <9212032347.AA26162 at cod.nosc.mil>
-------
Alright, you guys--I can't stand it anymore!
As a fairly frequent QRPer, I'll tell you why I like to operate
QRP. I have a "normal," albeit modest station--a TS-430S with a
TH-3 at 35 feet, dipoles, etc. But I also have a Ten-Tec
Argonaut, an early one, that "Santa" gave me for Xmas in 1983.
I'll admit up front to being more of an operator than a tinkerer
(I did that for the first 20 years I was a ham), and so using the
Argonaut for much of anything is an *operating* challenge. Maybe
I'm not breaking any state-of-the-art in anything, but I've found
it very satisfying to get WAS, DXCC, and some contest certificates
with that little rig. And I don't think I'm that much of a pain
to those in the contests (we discussed this at length last month).
Should the QRP category be eliminated? Well, obviously if it is,
there will be many fewer QRP stations in contests. But ARRL has
always professed to making QSOs with the least amount of power
required, hence the QRP categores in their contests. From a
goodie-goodie point of view, it's the "right" thing to do. From
the big-time contester's view, it may not be (we seem to be split
on that).
Now about signing /QRP. In non-contest situations, especially
when calling DX where I think I'll get thru, I often do tack on
/QRP. And like Derek says, it sometimes stands out like a YL
voice. I *never* sign /QRP in contests for the reasons discussed
these past 2 days--too much time and who cares?
You all gotta remember there are the top 10% of contesters (many
of whom are this newsgroup) and then there's everybody else who's in
the contest. When I complete a 'Q' QSO in SS with someone, I
don't mind him saying "nice QRP signal" or something like that,
and generally a lot of people will take the time to do that.
Perhaps they are not in the 10%, but not everyone can win either.
I suspect that those of you with KWs, big beams, etc. prefer the
CQ-sponsored contests--don't have to screw around with low power
categories, ARRL sections, and so on. But us littler guys (at
least this one) find the ARRL tests to offer more opportunity,
assuming that one measure of success is some wall paper. The QRP
category is one of those opportunities.
--Jim, K6ZH
-------
>From rbarkey at magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Thu Dec 3 19:03:55 1992
From: rbarkey at magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Rita K Barkey)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:27 2003
Subject: Wasting time
Message-ID: <9212040003.AA02559 at top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
All the comments about sending/receiving the '/qrp' business are
certainly well taken. However, the amount of time wasted by this
is really minimal, isn't it? Why don't we get to the real waste
of time in contesting -- people who don't send their calls!
I've just had it with these guys who don't ID on every QSO. They
aren't omitting it to save time -- geez, these guys spend 20 seconds
saying "73" after each qso. I suspect that they don't want to ID
because they think it will keep down the size of their pileup.
Yech! It is such a pleasure to go up and down the band during the JA
openings -- those op's ID every QSO and you can answer them at 90+
per hour. The Carribean, South American and European stations can
go for an agonizingly long time before they ID. How much collective
time is being wasted by the dozens of ears that are listening (in
ignorance) on each one of them?
Maybe we need to publish some kind of contest QSO technique "manual"
to help these guys learn some new habits ...
-- Pat
WA8YVR
>From winter at apple.com Thu Dec 3 18:50:18 1992
From: winter at apple.com (Patty Winter)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:27 2003
Subject: /QRP no, /T /N yes
Message-ID: <9212040250.AA14664 at apple.com>
Bob N6TV writes:
On the other hand, sending /N or /T after your call for Novice or
Technician licensees is required in the Novice Roundup so that they
can be distinguished from other participants. The /N or /T isn't
really "part of the callsign," but it is the one instance I know
where sending extras really helps.
This reminds me...during the 1992 NR I worked a station that was signing
/T, but when I looked up his address to send him a QSL card, I saw that
he had a higher-class license. (Maybe he had recently downgraded? :-) )
I put a subtle note on the card--something like, "From the callbook, it
looks like maybe you aren't a Tech any more, so my contact probably won't
count for you". He sent me a return QSL with no response to my comment.
I can't help but conclude that this guy was cheating. By pretending to be
a Tech, he could work any station he wanted. Guess I could listen to the
next NR a bit and drop a note to the League if I hear him doing the same
thing again. Or maybe I could just post his callsign here and let all of
you listen for him. :-)
Patty
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
:: Patty Winter N6BIS Internet: winter at apple.com ::
:: Sunnyvale, California AMPRNet: 44.4.0.44 ::
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>From GARLOUGH at TGV.COM Fri Dec 4 05:58:45 1992
From: GARLOUGH at TGV.COM (Trey Garlough)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:27 2003
Subject: CQWW CW
Message-ID: <723477525.33743.GARLOUGH at TGV.COM>
Greetings folks. I'm back and there's only 1000 new message in my email --
I guess I lucked out. I had a great time in the islands and made about
1000 QSOs as WN4KKN/HC8 and about 6200 as HC8N during the contest. QSL
for both via AA5BT.
Monday morning I left the island before the power came on, so my last QSO
was at 2359Z Sunday night. That's why I wasn't on the bands after the
contest. More later when I get a little caught up.
--Trey
>From GARLOUGH at TGV.COM Fri Dec 4 06:09:59 1992
From: GARLOUGH at TGV.COM (Trey Garlough)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:27 2003
Subject: Dupe Sheets with CT
In-Reply-To: <9211231744.AA24070 at eco.twg.com>
Message-ID: <723478199.431743.GARLOUGH at TGV.COM>
> Here's a dumb question that I'm sure has bothered at least one other contester:
>
> When you do a "writelog" with CT, it generates a dupe sheet with a printer
> control code that is SUPPOSED to cause compressed printing. At least, that's
> what the manual says. Personally I've never seen this feature work, since the
> only printers I have ever used with CT are a HP Deskjet and a HP Laserjet. In
> both codes, the control code (<cntl>R) seems to have no effect.
Epson-type dot matrix printers understand the control code to mean 16.5 cpi
or whatever. Do a NOCOMPRESS before doing a WRITELOG. This will cause CT
to write normal looking dupesheets for 8.5 inch paper at 10 cpi (or whatever
the normal uncompressed font is).
>From rhealy at arrl.org Fri Dec 4 08:07:05 1992
From: rhealy at arrl.org (Rus Healy NJ2L)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:27 2003
Subject: /QRP no, /T /N yes
Message-ID: <11664 at jwh>
Patty Winter writes:
>This reminds me...during the 1992 NR I worked a station that was signing
>/T, but when I looked up his address to send him a QSL card, I saw that
>he had a higher-class license. (Maybe he had recently downgraded? :-) )
>I put a subtle note on the card--something like, "From the callbook, it
>looks like maybe you aren't a Tech any more, so my contact probably won't
>count for you". He sent me a return QSL with no response to my comment.
>
>I can't help but conclude that this guy was cheating. By pretending to be
>a Tech, he could work any station he wanted. Guess I could listen to the
>next NR a bit and drop a note to the League if I hear him doing the same
>thing again. Or maybe I could just post his callsign here and let all of
>you listen for him. :-)
Hmm. It may have been a guest operator. I recall operating my
first (and only) NR with my host's 2-by-1 call, signing /N. I'm sure
that raised a few eyebrows. :')
Hard to say why he didn't respond to your comment on the QSL card.
(I would think that if he was cheating he'd have blown off answering
cards.) But I can say for myself that answering QSLs is a mindless
task in which I often shut off most of my cognitive horsepower--such
as it is.
Pardon me, Patty, for playing Devil's advocate.
Then again, maybe he *was* cheating. :')
--73, Rus, NJ2L
>From GARLOUGH at TGV.COM Fri Dec 4 07:15:54 1992
From: GARLOUGH at TGV.COM (Trey Garlough)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:27 2003
Subject: CQWW scores
Message-ID: <723482154.987743.GARLOUGH at TGV.COM>
Some numbers W2GD left on my answering machine while I was in HC:
EA8EA ??
P40W 9.7M
8R1K 9 M
9Y4H 5300 QSOs
P40J 5300 QSOs
8P9Z 5300 QSOs
P40I 4700 QSOs
D44BC 7 M
>From GARLOUGH at TGV.COM Fri Dec 4 07:58:42 1992
From: GARLOUGH at TGV.COM (Trey Garlough)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:27 2003
Subject: CT 7.13
In-Reply-To: <"NGJC-4707-4230/27"*/PN=ERIC.L.SCACE/O=SPRINTINTL/ADMD=TELEMAIL/C=US/@sprint.com>
Message-ID: <723484722.819743.GARLOUGH at TGV.COM>
> I remember hearing HS0ABD long path at midnight local time on 15m working
> JAs... couldn't break thru the pileup, but it was an awesome signal
I invested 10 minutes trying to work HS0AC during the contest without success.
I think I heard him six or seven different times and couldn't break through
the pileup (of JAs or EUs, I guess). So no zone 26 for this guy.
>From uw9ar at chal.chel.su Fri Dec 4 17:01:03 1992
From: uw9ar at chal.chel.su (Willy Umanets)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:27 2003
Subject: Subscribe
Message-ID: <AAVKz7hi_1 at chal.chel.su>
WN4KKN,Trey
This is a test message. Please respond on it.
161 Willy
>From GARLOUGH at TGV.COM Fri Dec 4 08:12:28 1992
From: GARLOUGH at TGV.COM (Trey Garlough)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:27 2003
Subject: 9M6NA
Message-ID: <723485548.806743.GARLOUGH at TGV.COM>
> Do I get extra points for working 9M6NA, K6NA, and K3NA in the NA
> Sprint?
I worked 9M6NA and 9M2NA consecutively on 15 during the contest.
>From Doug.Grant at analog.com Fri Dec 4 11:36:00 1992
From: Doug.Grant at analog.com (Doug.Grant at analog.com)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:27 2003
Subject: QRP !
In-Reply-To: The letter of Thursday, 3 December 1992 6:23pm ET
Message-ID: <m0mxe6X-0000M0C at ibm_gate.analog.com>
Gee, Steve, didn't you operate QRP in SS a couple of years ago?
It seems to me that QRP is more of a challenge for the guy who has to copy the
puny signal. Maybe there should be an award for the guy who WORKS the most
/QRP stations. At least there'd be a good reason for all these guys to run
around signing "/QRP".
dg
>From GARLOUGH at TGV.COM Fri Dec 4 08:42:38 1992
From: GARLOUGH at TGV.COM (Trey Garlough)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:27 2003
Subject: subscribe
In-Reply-To: <12921203021121/0004504465PK1EM at mcimail.com>
Message-ID: <723487358.825743.GARLOUGH at TGV.COM>
Welcome to CQ-CONTEST at TGV.COM, the general forum for amateur radio contesters.
This is an unmoderated forum directed towards hams interested in all types of
radio contesting. This forum is more like the NCJ than QST; INFO-HAMS at UCSD.EDU
and rec.radio.amateur.misc and are good places to look for a more rounded
discussion of the hobby.
Each message you send to CQ-CONTEST at TGV.COM will be sent out to all the other
subscribers, kinda like a two meter repeater that has a coverage radius of
12,000 miles or so. This is a good place for score reports, expedition rumors,
and other contest-related whining, bragging, or announcements.
CQ-CONTEST-REQUEST at TGV.COM is where you should send requests to change your
cq-contest subscription.
--Trey, WN4KKN/6
>From winter at apple.com Fri Dec 4 11:51:27 1992
From: winter at apple.com (Patty Winter)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:27 2003
Subject: /T
Message-ID: <9212041951.AA02725 at apple.com>
A few people have suggested that the General-class callsign I heard
operating as /T in the last Novice Roundup might have had a guest
Tech operator.
My response to that is, why would a Tech not want to use his/her own
callsign during NR? After all, they're operating in the Novice/Tech
portion of the HF bands. They'd only be required to use the station
call if they were operating above their own privileges--which isn't
the case during NR.
Also, the QSL card was signed by the holder of the General callsign,
with no indication that there had been a guest op. Granted, that
doesn't prove much, although I'd think that a new ham guest operating
in a contest would want the fun of answering the QSLs instead of
letting the station licensee do it.
I still think this one adds up to no good...
Patty
>From 71662.17 at CompuServe.COM Fri Dec 4 14:51:44 1992
From: 71662.17 at CompuServe.COM (BILL FISHER)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:27 2003
Subject: KM9P here
Message-ID: <921204195143_71662.17_CHJ105-1 at CompuServe.COM>
Hello contesters....
KM9P is now active here. Send me your address so I know who I can talk
with directly.
Bill Fisher, KM9P
>From tucker at eedsp.gatech.edu Fri Dec 4 15:06:49 1992
From: tucker at eedsp.gatech.edu (Jeff Tucker N9HZQ)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:27 2003
Subject: W4AQL antennas
Message-ID: <199212042037.AA01139 at prism.gatech.edu>
Well, we've decided that if W4AQL is going to get competitive, we are
going to have to put up some mono-banders. We've been using a
TH6 and a KLM 2 el. 40m antenna, but we want more.
What has the experience been with some of the monobanders out there?
A local antenna guru has given us some of his opinions. He says
that Hygains are the cheapest made. Not very sturdy. The KLM's are
built better, but he said that they aren't DC grounded. Apparently,
he thought that made them more susceptible to precipitation noise.
Anyone know anything about this?
He recommended looking into DX Engineering, a company headed by
N0XX, I guess. Does anyone have any experience with them?
BTW, we're looking at putting up 6 or 8 elements on 10, 6 on
15 and 4-6 elements on 20. That 6 el. 20 is really big and it
would go on the tower with the 40, probably. That's a lot of
antenna for one rotor so we might go smaller.
I'd appreciate any comments. The tower situation here is one 50
ft. tower and one 90 ft. tower. We can't use the top of the 90
ft. though because that's where VHF/UHF is. So, an antenna on
that tower would be at 82 ft. (Don't ask me why, but that's where
the guys are. The top 10 ft. are unguyed.)
We are planning on putting up another tower, probably 30-40 ft. Oh,
all these are ft above the roof which is 60 ft. off the ground.
Thanks es 73 de Jeff N9HZQ
--
-----------------------------
Jeff Tucker N9HZQ, EMT-A
tucker at eedsp.gatech.edu Graduate Student, Electrical Engineering
W4AQL Contest Domination Team Georgia Institute of Technology
>From GARLOUGH at TGV.COM Fri Dec 4 12:59:10 1992
From: GARLOUGH at TGV.COM (Trey Garlough)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:27 2003
Subject: W4AQL antennas
In-Reply-To: <199212042037.AA01139 at prism.gatech.edu>
Message-ID: <723502750.654743.GARLOUGH at TGV.COM>
> Well, we've decided that if W4AQL is going to get competitive, we are
> going to have to put up some mono-banders. We've been using a
> TH6 and a KLM 2 el. 40m antenna, but we want more.
My experience at W5EHM indictates that in a university environment that
people cycle in and out every few years and after a while there is no one
left to take care of the junk. My suggestion would be to stick with what
you have (keeping it simple).
I would consider the following enhancements to the current setup:
o Get a second tribander (TH7 or KT34XA). This would give you some
redundancy, the ability to point a yagi at a second direction, and
an opportunity to play multiple wave angles (were you to put the
two tribanders at different heights, such as 50 and 90 feet)
o Get a second 40 meter yagi (the 2-element Cushcraft is by far the
most practical choice), for the reasons enumerated above.
o And if you operate a lot of DX contests, I would consider a third
tribander (an A-3 would be fine, or a big one if available), fixed
on the Caribbean and South America. Once again, this gives you
an additional direction at the flip of a switch. From Atlanta you
will be first or second through all the pileups in that direction
during contests.
--Trey
>From es at mvuxb.att.com Fri Dec 4 16:01:00 1992
From: es at mvuxb.att.com (es at mvuxb.att.com)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:27 2003
Subject: N2IC QRP opinions
Message-ID: <mailman.19.1043801127.8266.cq-contest at contesting.com>
I don't share Steve, N2IC's, preference for eliminating the QRP
categories. I have listed what appear to be Steve's reasons for
elimination followed by my comments.
1. (QRP operators have a sense of great accomplishment by tormenting
everyone else with puny signals.)
I have worked a few contests in the QRP category (mostly SS) and
have never felt this way. My goal has always been to optimize my
score. What would be served by tormenting operators, thereby jeopardizing
potential QSO points? If I can't work them with a couple of calls I try
later.
2. (Do we feel there is no sense in competing with the same category as the
high power stations?)
Without categories for different power levels, stations running less than
full power, feeling that they can't really compete with those running QRO,
won't bother to put in a full time or serious effort. This will obviously
result in reduced overall participation and lower QSO totals for everyone,
including those running full power.
3. (I know TVI/RFI is a pain, but virtually everyone I know can run 100+
Watts before that gets to be a serious problem.)
You seem to be advocating running as much power as possible until it
becomes a "serious problem".
TVI/RFI is a function of many variables including power. The affects on
neighbors and families, and ultimately the Ham Operator, are subjective
and therefore vary widely. One person's notion of a minor nuisance is
a serious problem for another. What is wrong with running a power level
capable of spanning the globe while having no effect on your neighbor's
electronics?
4. (Lets use peer pressure to keep top contesters from intentionally
handicapping themselves with poorer antennas than they are capable of
having.)
I don't think that this is any way to make friends at your next club
meeting. Furthermore, I know of no "top contesters" who intentionally
choose a weaker smaller antenna over a louder one without having first
drunk a few to many...
5. (We need to improve the state-of-the-art, and not stagnate just so we
can win a certificate in a category that is below our potential.)
You are inferring that QRPers and others who aren't competing in the
unlimited category are not furthering the state-of-the-art. The 25 dB
that separates the QRPer and the high power station is generally derived
from technology that is at least 20 years old. With the exception of
fast band changing and auto-tuning, which the QRPers have had for
many years, there hasn't been fundamental change in commercial
amateur radio amplifier technology in this timeframe. In the other
aspects of operation; computer applications, antennas, high performance
radios, operator skill, etc., serious QRP contesters are not behind their
QRO brethren. If anything, to overcome the 25 dB, they work especially hard
at optimizing the systems and skills they have to work with.
-Ed, K1TR
>From SLP9M at CC.USU.EDU Fri Dec 4 14:24:52 1992
From: SLP9M at CC.USU.EDU (Scott E. Parker)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:27 2003
Subject: 10m test question
Message-ID: <01GRX5JRLPG291ZR1X at CC.USU.EDU>
Actually, a new twist on the /T /N bit.
In the upcoming 10m contest there are novice/tech categories requiring the /T
and /N designators. There is also a multi single category. Now the queston:
If there is a m/s tech station, I assume that all operations must take place
within the novice sub-bands, but must all operators be novices or techs?
My motivation for asking is a possible plan to get on with a young
tech using his call sign and operatng with him as a means of giving him some
needed motivation. In this situation we really wouldn't be in a position to
win anything (unless by default, no other log in the category from the
section - sometimes a very real possibility).
Continuing this line of thought, what if we don't submit the log or just submit
a check log? Does being legal (in the contest rules sense) really matter?
73, -SEP
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>From GARLOUGH at TGV.COM Fri Dec 4 14:20:47 1992
From: GARLOUGH at TGV.COM (Trey Garlough)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:27 2003
Subject: IOTA
Message-ID: <723507647.977743.GARLOUGH at TGV.COM>
Anyone happen to know the IOTA number for San Cristobal, HC8?
>From n6tv at vnet.ibm.com Fri Dec 4 13:43:35 1992
From: n6tv at vnet.ibm.com (Robert A. Wilson)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:28 2003
Subject: New antennas for W4AQL
Message-ID: <mailman.20.1043801128.8266.cq-contest at contesting.com>
Monobanders is a good idea.
> A local antenna guru has given us some of his opinions. He says
> that Hygains are the cheapest made. Not very sturdy. The KLM's are
> built better...
I for one have the opposite impression, because the Hygains use metal
boom-to-element clamps, and KLM has always used plastic. Hello, Dave,
W6QHS, doesn't your book rate Hygain over KLM when it comes to wind
survival? (In case you haven't heard, Dave's new book, The Physical
Design of Yagi Antennas, is available from the ARRL, HRO, etc.).
There is a brand new antenna company that may have exactly what
you are looking for. They are called "Force 12 Antennas." All of
the antennas are designed and built by Tom Schiller, N6BT, who
designed my own custom antenna stack before he got serious. The
new antenna company was announced at the Pacific Division Convention
in October.
You can write them at the following address to request literature:
Force 12 Antennas
3350 Scott Blvd., Suite 6102
Santa Clara, CA 95054
USA
(408) 988-2766
Force 12 has a number of duo-band designs such as 28/24 21/18, 14/10.
These can be stacked closely with very little interaction. They
will also build custom designs upon request.
These antennas have many unique features:
1) 100 mph wind survival (based on Yagi Stress analysis)
2) Low profile (non-glare aluminum, thin element tips)
3) .049 wall 6061-T6 aluminum (17% less weight, but plenty strong)
4) Prealigned boom to element clamps (no "eyeballing" required)
5) Pop-riveted elements (pop-riveter is supplied). No hose clamps
or compression clamps that can get stuck on guy wires during
installation
6) No measuring or "Phone/CW" adjustments; all elements pre-measured
7) Full band coverage on bands above 10 MHz
8) Computer-optimized using YO and MN
9) Simple 50 ohm feed system, unique driven element design
10) Tapered elements. Eliminates wind vibration (no need to put
rope inside the elements).
Tom has already applied for two patents, and he says he's working on
a third.
Most of the antennas used by the CE0Y DXpedition by N6AA and others in
the CQ WW Phone contest were Force 12 antennas. The 10, 15, and 20m
antennas were custom made to telescope into a 4 ft' ski bag, booms
and all. The antennas at HC8A/HC8N were also designed by N6BT.
Speaking from personal experience, N6BT antennas just plain work.
73,
Bob, N6TV
>From 71662.17 at CompuServe.COM Fri Dec 4 19:02:22 1992
From: 71662.17 at CompuServe.COM (BILL FISHER)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:28 2003
Subject: K3NA's comments on signing your call.
Message-ID: <921205000221_71662.17_CHJ54-2 at CompuServe.COM>
I have to agree with Eric's comment that it takes nothing away from your
rate to sign your call after every QSO. It is ALWAYS the best ops that
sign their calls after every QSO.
When I S&P during CQWW I wait for 2 QSO's for the guy to sign his call...
If he doesn't he gets a November Four Radio Japan.... They usually respond
quickly.... If it's a dupe, I'm sorry it's not my problem and I'll
continue my practice until they realize they're hurting their rates more
by not signing their calls than by signing them.
73
Bill KM9P
>From tucker at eedsp.gatech.edu Fri Dec 4 20:50:55 1992
From: tucker at eedsp.gatech.edu (Jeff Tucker N9HZQ)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:28 2003
Subject: 10m test question
Message-ID: <199212050151.AA21913 at prism.gatech.edu>
> Actually, a new twist on the /T /N bit.
>
> In the upcoming 10m contest there are novice/tech categories requiring the /T
> and /N designators. There is also a multi single category. Now the queston:
> If there is a m/s tech station, I assume that all operations must take place
> within the novice sub-bands, but must all operators be novices or techs?
>
> My motivation for asking is a possible plan to get on with a young
> tech using his call sign and operatng with him as a means of giving him some
> needed motivation. In this situation we really wouldn't be in a position to
> win anything (unless by default, no other log in the category from the
> section - sometimes a very real possibility).
>
> Continuing this line of thought, what if we don't submit the log or just submit
> a check log? Does being legal (in the contest rules sense) really matter?
>
> 73, -SEP
>
If you don't submit a log for scoring, you can theoretically do what you
want. But, it would be bad form to sign /T if you aren't really one.
If a multi-single is operated by or even helped by a General or higher
class licensee, they should not sign with the /N or /T. After all, it's
not really in the spirit of things.
At least that's my opinion.
Jeff N9HZQ
--
-----------------------------
Jeff Tucker N9HZQ, EMT-A
tucker at eedsp.gatech.edu Graduate Student, Electrical Engineering
W4AQL Contest Domination Team Georgia Institute of Technology
>From debry at iris1.sb.fsu.edu Fri Dec 4 20:53:55 1992
From: debry at iris1.sb.fsu.edu (Ron Debry)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:28 2003
Subject: K3NA's comments on signing your call.
Message-ID: <9212050153.AA28947 at iris1.sb.fsu.edu>
Yep, Bill beat me to it. I take exactly the same view - if the DX
station doesn't sign quickly, I call him and make him give his call.
I'd even bet that the disruption in rhythm from my having to ask for
his call is worse than signing often.
I know that the DX station wants to maximize his rate, but he's got to
realize that as a single-op I'm trying to do 5 things at once, and
sitting listening to pileups is way low on the list.
>From GARLOUGH at TGV.COM Sat Dec 5 06:13:51 1992
From: GARLOUGH at TGV.COM (Trey Garlough)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:28 2003
Subject: HC8N summary
Message-ID: <723564831.63743.GARLOUGH at TGV.COM>
A few folks have asked me to give an idea of what the situation was
at HC8N during the contest, so here goes:
The station is located on the island of San Cristobal, the easternmost
of the Galapagos islands. The population of the island is about 3000
and it is located 1000 km west of the mainland. There is daily airline
service on the Ecuadorian carrier SAN. From Quito, it's a 30 minute
flight to Guayaquil, with a 20 minutes stopover, then about 80 minutes
out to the island. The island is at 89 degrees west (New Orleans is
90W) and at about the equator. Every day is perfect. The sun comes
up at 6 AM and goes down at 6 PM. Island time is six hours from UTC,
like Central Standard Time.
The island is rather big (compared to St. Thomas for instance) and has
a variety of climates. There are four climate "zones" on the one
island itself. Down in the coastal zone, you have the typical balmy
island weather like you would expect in the Caribbean. The station
is located at the family farm of Guido (HC8GR) and Chelita (HC8FR)
about 700 meters ASL in a extremely wet, cold and overcast area. It
rained a lot every single day I was there and the wind never stopped.
I saw about ten hours of sun the whole time I was at the station.
I truly sailed in on the coattails of Rich (N6KT). The fact that
things worked so well there is mostly attributable to him. The
station is quite large. There are three towers, supporting 5-el yagis
for 10 and 15, a 5-el yagi for 20 and a 2-el Cushcraft for 40. There
is a 2 el delta loop for Europe and a 1/4 wave vertical for 80 and
an inverted-L for 160. In addition there are fixed wire arrays on
the US for 10-40 (which I really didn't end up using). He left
everything working perfectly after CQWW SSB. All I had to do was
tune up the low band wire antennas.
Island power goes off at midnight and returns at 5 AM (theoretically).
Because of the initiative of Rich, there is now a generator at the
house. This keeps you from having to pay off/reimburse/whatever the
local power people to have them keep the power running all night.
As Mark (WA6OTU/HC8U) discovered one year, even if you pay them to
keep the power running all night, sometimes they forget.
I brought my TS-930S and my 386 computer and keyboard with me to the
island. There was already a Drake L7 and a monochrome monitor there.
I also brought a thousand little things I could think of at the last
minute. The weekend before I left, Dave (W6QHS) fixed about five
things that were wrong with my radio (no SSB, pitch control broken,
RIT off by 400 Hz, AGC crapping out) and his wife Barb (KK6QM) came
up with the brilliant idea that a TS-930 was about the same size as
a particular style of MacIntosh, one for which they happened to have a
padded carrying case with internal pockets and a shoulder strap. I
carried the TS-930 as one carry-on item and my keyer/headphones/etc
and some clothes in another carry-on bag. I checked the 386 in a
big suitcase.
The days before the contest, I got great support from Dave, Barb and
Rich on the air, who happily answered my questions like "How do I
fix this rotator?" and "Which one is the 160 meter antenna?" On
the mainland I got great help from Ted (HC5K), who was standing by
to put anything I needed on the next plane out, and Pedro (HC1OT),
who took care of everything for me in Quito and arranged all my
SAN tickets and met me at the airport each time I arrived. Of course
on the island Guido and Chelita were gracious hosts and showed me a
wonderful time. There was also a great guy on the island by the name
of Mark Haeg. He is about my age and is slowly working his way around
the world. He helped a lot with everything. In partiuclar he was able
to iron out many hours worth of communication difficuluties (my Spanish
is virtually non-existant).
The farm house itself is incredibly rustic. It has no heat (not much
is required at the equator). It is drafty. It is wet. Giant spiders
live there. At 2 AM during the contest a giant rat walked in from
outside (I left the door open) to check things out. But the house has
everything you need. It keeps the water off you (mostly), it has
running (cold) water, it has a flush toilet, and it is quite large.
Taken in the context of a summer house or a lake cabin, it is a wonderful
place. In many respects, it is more comfortable than some ham operations
I have observed in the states. Furthermore, having lived in Alabama and
Texas for 27 years, I have observed people living their daily lives under
worse conditions. Pedro suggested I should talk a little about the place
so as people won't get the idea I was operating from a luxury hotel. :-)
As this has gotten way long, I will sign off. If anyone cares to followup
with questions, I'll be happy to followup with answers.
--Trey, WN4KKN/HC8N
>From george554 at austin.relay.ucm.org Sat Dec 5 11:09:42 1992
From: george554 at austin.relay.ucm.org (george554 at austin.relay.ucm.org)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:28 2003
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <9212051130.S7027743 at austin.relay.ucm.org>
CQ WORLD WIDE DX CONTEST 1992
Call: WB5VZL Country: United States (350)
Mode: CW Category: Single Operator
BAND QSO QSO PTS PTS/QSO ZONES COUNTRIES
160 6 16 2.67 3 6
80 1 3 3.00 1 1
40 3 8 2.67 3 3
20 1 3 3.00 1 1
15 8 22 2.75 5 8
10 12 32 2.67 7 10
---------------------------------------------------
Totals 31 84 2.71 20 29 => 4,116
the low band contacts were made from n5au --
the 160m contacts were made on sat night from 0840-0903z
all of the 20-15-10 contacts were made from the car using
a kenwood ts680,b&w antenna tuner and a 5/8 wave 2meter mag mount.
geoiii
wb5vzl/m
>From debry at iris1.sb.fsu.edu Sat Dec 5 14:37:06 1992
From: debry at iris1.sb.fsu.edu (Ron Debry)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:28 2003
Subject: DSP in contests
Message-ID: <9212051937.AA01025 at iris1.sb.fsu.edu>
I'm seriously considering building the DSP noise/automatic notch filter
written up in QST by W9GR. Has anyone actually used one of these in
a contest? I'd be interested in whatever feedback you might have to
offer.
Ron DeBry WA6DGX
debry at sb.fsu.edu
>From 71662.17 at CompuServe.COM Sat Dec 5 15:27:35 1992
From: 71662.17 at CompuServe.COM (BILL J. FISHER)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:28 2003
Subject: DSP's
Message-ID: <921205202735_71662.17_CHJ77-2 at CompuServe.COM>
I would also like any information you guys have about these DSP's. I
talked with N4TY this past week and he said they used one at N4AR's for WW
CW. They said it was wonderful. I know Ken (K1EA) has one but has not
hooked it up yet. Would appreciate details on your experiences with these
things. Which one is the best? What are they capable of? Help your
score? Worth the money?
73
Bill KM9P
>From 71662.17 at CompuServe.COM Sat Dec 5 15:33:28 1992
From: 71662.17 at CompuServe.COM (BILL J. FISHER)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:28 2003
Subject: VS6WO score Multi/Multi de AA0CR
Message-ID: <921205203327_71662.17_CHJ45-1 at CompuServe.COM>
VS6WO M/M
160 264/17/43
80 1441/28/81
40 2185/36/111
20 1747/37/113
15 2371/39/119
10 1819/33/101
TOT 9827/190/568 = 17,719,766 New Asia record if holds
K1DG will you add this to the NCJ score rumors?
>From uw9ar at chal.chel.su Sun Dec 6 18:56:33 1992
From: uw9ar at chal.chel.su (Willy Umanets)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:28 2003
Subject: RL0L CW score
Message-ID: <AAnCf8hi_1 at chal.chel.su>
Hi evribdi,
here's RL0L's CQ WW CONTEST 1992 prelimenary score:
mode: CW
160 150 13 47 inv. Vee @ 27mh
80 620 23 78 inv. Vee @ 27mh
40 1230 37 119 3el @ 25mh
20 970 39 115 6&7el @ 27mh
15 600 37 106 6&7el @ 27mh
10 560 35 92 7el @ 32mh
--------------------
total 4130 184 577 aprx score 9 mln pts
------------------------------------------
CONGRATULATIONS to VS6WO team!!! Who are those guys?
CONGRATULATIONS to K1AR team, u finali did it John! Who else
was wid u?
73,
WILLY, UW9AR
---------------------------------------------
E-mail: UW9AR at chal.chel.su
>From 0004504465 at mcimail.com Sun Dec 6 16:34:00 1992
From: 0004504465 at mcimail.com (Eugene Walsh)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:28 2003
Subject: RW4WR
Message-ID: <91921206163419/0004504465PK1EM at mcimail.com>
SANDY, RW4WR OF THE UZ4WZA/UK4W GANG, AFTER A 20M SINGLE BAND
EFFORT FROM THE WZA STATION, WAS SERIOUSLY INJURED IN AN
ACCIDENT DRIVING HOME FROM THE CONTEST SITE IN THE
WEE HOURS DURING A SNOWSTORM. THIS FROM RW4WZ.
73 DE GENE
>From tekbspa!tavan at uunet.UU.NET Sun Dec 6 13:14:03 1992
From: tekbspa!tavan at uunet.UU.NET (tekbspa!tavan at uunet.UU.NET)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:28 2003
Subject: Backup Mults
Message-ID: <9212062108.AA16940 at tss.com>
If you submit a listing of stations worked by multiplier,
then the log checker should be REQUIRED to restore credit
for a multiplier when he deletes the QSO on which you
claimed credit. It is truly unfair
if you lose credit, say, for JA when your first JA Q is
logged as "JH5HSH" but really is "JH5HIH". (He may have
sent HSH, too - one of those unfixable situations where
the accurate op is penalized for the sloppy sending of
others.) I'd like to hear this commitment from the
contest committees.
73,
/Rick N6XI
tavan at tss.com
>From 71662.17 at CompuServe.COM Sun Dec 6 18:12:21 1992
From: 71662.17 at CompuServe.COM (BILL J. FISHER)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:28 2003
Subject: Operating practices: Leading to busted calls...
Message-ID: <921206231221_71662.17_CHJ59-1 at CompuServe.COM>
This past CQWW CW on Sunday I was listening to one of my competitors with
the second radio to see how he was doing (rate wise) compared with me on
another band. While listening, I noted what I feel is poor operating:
When he worked someone and busted their call, he would not confirm the
call, after the station he worked corrected him. One time, he worked a
busted call and then the correct call a QSO later! Now this is a guy who
finishs on or near the top of every contest he enters! Is he setting
standards for less expereinced operators to follow? I hope not!
I acknowledge a guys call every time he sends it back to me. (Although I
will admit, I don't acknowledge those guys that love to hear their calls
so much they send it with every transmission.)
The correct sequence of events in my opinion would be as follows:
KM9P: CQ CQ TEST KM9P KM9P
G3SXW: G3SXW
KM9P: G3SXA 5NN 05
G3SXW: G3SXW 5NN 14
KM9P: G3SXW TU TEST KM9P
What do the rest of you think?
>From penneys at freezer.cns.udel.edu Sun Dec 6 19:21:29 1992
From: penneys at freezer.cns.udel.edu (robert penneys)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:28 2003
Subject: Mobile/portable HF rig wanted
Message-ID: <9212070021.AA22304 at freezer.cns.udel.edu>
I know this is material for rec.radio.swap, where it also appears. I figured that some of you may not have the patience for those trn groups.
I'm looking for a small 12v rig with WARC bands, split VFO's, narrow CW option, etc. for travel. A CW-only or QRP rig might also do.
Last one I had was an ICOM 730 which fit the bill.
If you
If you've got one you're not using, let me know.
Tried the 160 test QRP. Recommended for all masochists.
Tnx Bob WN3K FRC
>From debry at iris1.sb.fsu.edu Sun Dec 6 19:52:37 1992
From: debry at iris1.sb.fsu.edu (Ron Debry)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:28 2003
Subject: fixing busted calls
Message-ID: <9212070052.AA03832 at iris1.sb.fsu.edu>
I agree with Bill, with one small change:
KM9P: CQ TEST KM9P
G3SXW: G3SXW
KM9P: G3SXA 5NN09
G3SXW: G3SXW 5NN14
KM9P: R SXW TEST KM9P
In other words, I think that as long as it is communicated between the two
operators that the correct call has been logged, it should be OK. Often
on SSB, if the other station corrects one letter, I might reply:
G3SXW: 59 14, the call is G3 Sierra X-ray Whiskey
WA6DGX: Whiskey, QSL
On the other hand, if his signal was weak, or the QRM bad, I usually go
an extra step:
G3SXW: 59 14 the call is G3 Sierra X-ray Whiskey
WA6DGX: G3 Sierra X-ray Whiskey, QSL?
G3SXW: QSL
WA6DGX: QRZ contest WA6DGX
This slows me down a lot, but the situation Bill described really annoys me
(a running station not acknowledging a fill). I'm sure I still bust
a number of calls, but it's not for lack of trying to get it right.
What can REALLY slow me down in the last situation is when I give the
correct call, but the other guy repeats his call phonetically instead
of saying "QSL". That happens more often than you might think, and it
really annoys me, because as soon as I hear phonetics I assume that I
have the call wrong.
Ron DeBry WA6DGX
debry at sb.fsu.edu
>From skitch at NADC.NADC.NAVY.MIL Mon Dec 7 08:20:10 1992
From: skitch at NADC.NADC.NAVY.MIL (M. Squicciarini)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:28 2003
Subject: DX Bulletin OPDX #89 December 7, 1992
Message-ID: <9212071320.AA04284 at NADC.NADC.NAVY.MIL>
The Ohio/Penn Dx PacketCluster
DX Bulletin No. 089 (OPDX.089)
December 7, 1992
Editor Tedd Mirgliotta, KB8NW
Provided by BARF-80 BBS Cleveland, Ohio
Online at 216-237-8208 14400/9600/2400/1200/300 8/N/1
Thanks to the Northern Ohio Amateur Radio Society, Northern Ohio DX
Association, Ohio/Penn PacketCluster Network, ARRL, The DX Bulletin,
IK5AAX, K1ER, WB3LHD, N4XMD, K8YSE and N0AFW for the following DX
information.
4N4, BOSNIA-HERCEGOVINA. A special arrangement with Aco, 4N4XA, has been
reported. This station now has a stateside QSL Manager. Leon, K2EWB,
and Denny, GW3CDP, reportedly are the people who helped set up this
arrangement. Be looking for 4N4XA to show up on the 21335 DX Net around
1300z. QSL via KA9WON. Leon and Denny suggest (when sending your QSL card
to KA9WON) writing the net controllers call sign who's list you were on
in the front upper left hand corner of the envelope.
5X, UGANDA. Activity from 5X5WR continues. Rumor has it that DJ6SI has
tried to apply for his own call sign, but he continues to use 5X5WR. A
special postal box has been set up to help with the over flow of cards
that will be sent. QSL to: P.O. Box 1223, Dw 8209 Schlossberg, Federal
Republic of Germany. Activty should continue through the 11th of
December. All documentation for 5X5WR is approved for DXCC.
8R1K CARDS. Martti Lane, OH2BH, has stated that the 8R1K QSL cards from
the 1991 CQ World-Wide contest have been received from the printer last
week. Martti will be sending those cards, along with the EA8BH cards from
the CQ WW-1992 contest, shortly.
9A, CROATIA. 9A2PM has been known to show up on 21290 kHz and also on the
21335 DX net between 1400 to 1500z . This station has a stateside manager
of KA9WON.
C5, THE GAMBIA. Rich, K3IPK, who was active lately at 6W (Senegal), is
now active as C56/K3IPK. His length of stay is unknown at this time, but
he has been very active on 7006 kHz between 2300 to 0230z. Also, check
10122 kHz around 2030z and 21029 kHz around 1900z.
D2, ANGOLA. D2EL continues to be active from Luanda, the Capitol of
Angola. Activity seems to be mainly on 10 and 20 meters. Check between
28450 to 28500 kHz starting around 1500z to as late as 1900z. QSL via
EA7EL. Also, Elliot, N6QHO, continues to be active as N6QHO/D2 from the
Cabinda enclave. Check 21415 kHz around 1900z and 28485 kHz around
2000z. QSL via N6QHO.
JU, MONGOLIA. Special event station JU830C continues to be active thru
December 31 to celebrate the 830th birthday of Genghis Khan. Most
activity seems to be on 20 meter CW between 0130 to 0230z. There was
activity on OSCAR 13 December 6, around 1627z. QSL via JT1KAA, P.O.
Box 639, Ulaanbaatar-13, Mongolia.
KH5 AND KH5K, PALMYRA ISLAND AND KINGMAN REEF. (UPDATE/NEWS RELEASE)
More details were made available by Pete, N0AFW, on this future 1993
February/March DXpedition. The 12 operators, which include N0AFW, N9NS,
G0LMX, AH9B, V73CT, W7KNT, OZ8V and NH6UY, are all seasoned DXpeditioners.
Some of the operators were active from the FO0CI, VP8SSI, HS0B, 5N0DOG,
etc.... They plan to be operating simultaneously from both locations
during the latter part of February and the early part of March. There
will be a full time satellite/VHF station and a dedicated WARC station
operating from both locations.
KH8, AMERICAN SAMOA. JA3JA and JA3JM, who are now signing ZK2XI and
ZK2XJ from Niue Island, will be returning to KH8-land for a two day
sting December 9 and 10. Activity will be CW, SSB, RTTY and on all
bands including the WARC. QSL to JA3JM.
P5, NORTH KOREA. The DX Bulletin is reporting, "P5DTG appears to be
another North Korea SLIM. Don't try to QSL (via OK1DTG) at this time.
RTTY ACTIVITY. 3A2LZ 14088/1530z, 9H1ED 21082/1420z, CN8NP 14084/1930z,
EI4Z 21087/1400z, HK0DPA 14084/2337z, HL5FRG 21088/0736z, S59AM 21089/1351z,
S79S 14083/2351z, YI1OMR 21072/1322z, ZC4ST 21083/1420z, ZK2XI 21091/1930z
(QSL via JA3JM), and ZL1AMO 21083/2314z.
XQ0, SAN FELIX. XQ0X was quite active this weekend (6 Dec.) on 24950
kHz around 2100z. QSL via CE3ESS.
XU, KAMPUCHEA. Activity by XU7VK began showing up this past weekend
(5 Dec.). The operator is reportedly Sanyi, HA7VK, and was active on
14014 kHz around 1900z. QSL via HA0HW.
DXCC HAPPENING. Documentation has been received and approved for Romeo's
9D0RR operations from 5th August 1992 to 17th August 1992. Also, QSL
cards for operations by Iranian amateurs for QSOs on 20th August 1988
and after are now being accepted for DXCC. Previously rejected cards
may be returned for DXCC credit. There has been a correction on the date
for Croatia and Slovenia that was in the news release dated 25th November.
It was announced that Croatia (9A) and Slovenia (S5) were added to the
list for QSOs made 26th May 1991 and after. The correct date is their
independence day, 26th June 1991. The DXCC Desk will accept cards after
the 1st of January 1993. Cards received before January 1993 will be
returned without action.
KEEP THOSE BALLOTS COMING! Ballots for the Second Annual OPDX/NODXA DX
Survey can be found in OPDX.088. Ballots can be sent to the following
packet and online addresses listed below.
Excerpts and distribution of The OPDX Bulletin are granted as long as
OPDX/BARF80 receive credit. To contribute DX info, call BARF-80 BBS
online at 216-237-8208 14400/9600/2400/1200/300 and leave a message with
the Sysop or send InterNet Mail to: aq474 at cleveland.freenet.edu or send
BitNet Mail to: aq474%cleveland.freenet at cunyvm or send PRODIGY Mail to:
DFJH48A or send a message via packet to KB8NW @ WA8BXN.OH.USA.NA
73 -- marty -- nr3z skitch at nadc.navy.mil
>From rhealy at arrl.org Mon Dec 7 09:35:36 1992
From: rhealy at arrl.org (Rus Healy NJ2L)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:28 2003
Subject: QRP !
Message-ID: <11737 at jwh>
In my reply to Steve London's comments about eliminating the QRP
categories from contests, I left out a key point that I meant to
mention: Steve, I respect your right to your opinion on this
subject.
--73, Rus, NJ2L
>From rhealy at arrl.org Mon Dec 7 09:09:30 1992
From: rhealy at arrl.org (Rus Healy NJ2L)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:28 2003
Subject: QRP !
Message-ID: <11732 at jwh>
Steve London, N2IC, says:
>Back in the good old days of contesting, we went out of our way to be as
>LOUD as possible. We took pride in tweaking our antennas for the last
>tenth of a dB. Even if all we had was an attic dipole, we moved it
>another foot away from the house wiring. If we had an amplifier, we
>didn't hesitate to use it.
>
>Suddenly, QRP categories have come into vogue. We think we are making
>great accomplishments by tormenting everyone else with our puny signals -
>which are puny only by our choice. Why ????? Do we feel that there is
>no sense competing in the same category as the high power stations
>and their megabuck antenna farms ? I know TVI/RFI is a pain, but virtually
>everyone I know can run 100+ watts before that gets to be a serious problem.
>
>I would really like to see the QRP categories eliminated. Let's add
>categories based on maximum antenna height and/or boom length. Let's
>use peer pressure to keep top contesters from intentionally handicapping
>themselves with poorer antennas than they are capable of having. We need
>to improve the state-of-the-art, and not stagnate just so we can win
>a certificate in a category that is below our potential.
I disagree strongly with the foregoing. Here's why: Contesting is
something most people do for fun. It's simply not worth doing if
it's not fun. For some people, only winning is fun. These people
usually aren't much fun to hang out with. For others (most of us,
I think), *playing the game is fun*. If you win, great. Then it's
even more fun. But the minute someone tells me what *should be*
fun for me, I get honked off.
The bottom line: Do whatever is fun for you in contesting.
Although you may never compete against me in a QRP category (in
an HF contest, anyway), I strongly support the existence of these
categories and urge you to compete in them *if they best suit you*.
I don't care how weak you are; I'll gladly work you if I possibly
can. Working a really weak QRP station in a contest is more
satisfying to me than working even a loud double multiplier.
That's part of the reason I like VHF contesting in the off season.
Whether contesters have *any* sort of obligation to push the state
of the art--a questionable issue in itself--is outside the realm
of my response. But if I experience any sort of peer pressure from
anyone to always make myself as loud as possible at the expense
of operating in the category (or doing anything else) that I deem
most fun for me, I will immediately cease to associate with the
people exerting that pressure.
--73, Rus, NJ2L
>From alan at dsd.es.com Mon Dec 7 07:50:22 1992
From: alan at dsd.es.com (Alan Brubaker)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:28 2003
Subject: 160 M. Contest.
Message-ID: <9212071450.AA04201 at dsd.ES.COM>
K6XO/7 Single Operator, low power.
112 QSOs, 39 Sections, about 5 hours.
Didn't spend much time in this one. There sure are a lot of
alligators on this band, but some people have excellent ears.
No QSOs with W1 or W2 but I called lots of them. The only 3s
in the log are K3LR and VE3KP. Only 3 W4s. I needed to stay
up later, I guess. AB4RU has an outstanding signal out of
Georgia and he seemed to have no trouble hearing me either.
Almost like he was next door. CU on 10 meters.
Alan
alan at dsd.es.com
>From mraz at maverick.aud.alcatel.com Mon Dec 7 08:37:35 1992
From: mraz at maverick.aud.alcatel.com (Kris Mraz)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:28 2003
Subject: RW4WR
Message-ID: <9212071437.AA00498 at maverick.aud.alcatel.com>
>
> SANDY, RW4WR OF THE UZ4WZA/UK4W GANG, AFTER A 20M SINGLE BAND
>
> EFFORT FROM THE WZA STATION, WAS SERIOUSLY INJURED IN AN
>
> ACCIDENT DRIVING HOME FROM THE CONTEST SITE IN THE
>
> WEE HOURS DURING A SNOWSTORM. THIS FROM RW4WZ.
>
> 73 DE GENE
>
If there's anyway to get this message to Sandy, we wish him a speedy recovery.
I'm sure he wouldn't want to miss the ARRL DX contest in February.
GL es get well,
Kris
>From craigr at marlin.nosc.mil Mon Dec 7 09:04:25 1992
From: craigr at marlin.nosc.mil (Raymond D. Craig)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:28 2003
Subject: Backup Mults
Message-ID: <9212071704.AA10968 at marlin.nosc.mil>
> To: CQ-CONTEST at TGV.COM
> Subject: Backup Mults
> Date: Sun, 06 Dec 92 13:14:03 -0800
> From: tekbspa!tavan at uunet.UU.NET
>
> If you submit a listing of stations worked by multiplier,
> then the log checker should be REQUIRED to restore credit
> for a multiplier when he deletes the QSO on which you
> claimed credit. It is truly unfair
> if you lose credit, say, for JA when your first JA Q is
> logged as "JH5HSH" but really is "JH5HIH". (He may have
> sent HSH, too - one of those unfixable situations where
> the accurate op is penalized for the sloppy sending of
> others.) I'd like to hear this commitment from the
> contest committees.
> 73,
> /Rick N6XI
> tavan at tss.com
It is very rare to see a listing of stations worked by multiplier submitted
with a log. For some people a dupe sheet is a major task. Back to the issue.
You will not lose a multiplier for a deleted Q if you have obviously worked
many stations in that country. When you only work one or two stations from
the country, it can be difficult to find the second contact if the first Q is
deleted. A good dupe sheet is usually all that's needed to locate other Q's
in the country. However, with the trend of using special prefixes, it gets
more difficult. If you also submit a floppy with a K1EA .bin file, most log
checkers will load that file, make the necessary corrections, and take the
score directly from the screen. This will also get your log in the database
for the on-going investigation on "uniques".
The bottom line is that the log checkers are trying to get everyone on a
"more" level playing field by eliminating the spurious and busted calls.
It is not a perfect system but then this is "amateur" radio and we shouldn't
demand perfection from everyone who participates in this phase of the hobby.
73 Rick N6ND craigr at marlin.nosc.mil
Obviously these are my personal views and they are not blessed by anybody...
>From penneys at freezer.cns.udel.edu Mon Dec 7 12:14:21 1992
From: penneys at freezer.cns.udel.edu (robert penneys)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:28 2003
Subject: 160 test
Message-ID: <9212071714.AA24559 at freezer.cns.udel.edu>
!60 QRP from Delaware, no less
92 x 1 x 27 = 5,180 for a few hours off and on. Probably do better with an
antenna.
CU on 10m test for a few hours on CW, I hope. Get yer valuable DE mult.
Bob WN3K FRC
>From elmore at brightband.rap.ucar.EDU Mon Dec 7 10:38:55 1992
From: elmore at brightband.rap.ucar.EDU (Kim Elmore)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:28 2003
Subject: 160 m score
Message-ID: <9212071738.AA01013 at brightband.rap.ucar.EDU>
N5OP
single op, low-power, about 4.5 hrs
211 x 61 sections = 25742 pts
First time in the 160 m 'test. Actually, this was more fun
that I thought it would be. I shunt-feed my tower and have no
separate rx antenna, so I'm sure there was stuff calling me that I
couldn't hear. I hit the hay at around 08Z and heard some guys
working G's but couldn't hear a whisper from the guys they were
working. I originally started out trying QRO (about 600W from my
station) but found that I locked up NA whenever i transmitted (my
tower is only about 15 feet from my operating position). It was
really wierd: everything would lock key-down until I manually stopped
the RF; then everything continued normally!
See you on 10 m!
--
Kim Elmore
N5OP, PP ASEL/Glider 2232456
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>From craigr at marlin.nosc.mil Mon Dec 7 10:09:22 1992
From: craigr at marlin.nosc.mil (Raymond D. Craig)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:28 2003
Subject: 160 Contest
Message-ID: <9212071809.AA16205 at marlin.nosc.mil>
Spent some time operating the ARRL 160 contest. Generally good conditions
both nights to the US but very little participation by DX stns.
537 Q's, 73 Sections, 3 Countries = 88,920 16.5 hours
Station TS-950, 8877, shunt-fed 100' tower
I agree with Alan, there are some incredible alligators out there. It's bad
enough that they are 4 or 5 S-units out of the noise when they can't hear
you calling, but it's worse when you have been running stns on a freq for
an hour and they plop down, dead zero beat, without a QRL, and start calling
CQ....... I guess some people have never listened to 160 without a ton
of man-made noise to know what they are missing. To bad......
73 Rick N6ND
>From sellington at mail.ssec.wisc.edu Mon Dec 7 12:33:42 1992
From: sellington at mail.ssec.wisc.edu (sellington)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:28 2003
Subject: 160 Contest
Message-ID: <mailman.21.1043801128.8266.cq-contest at contesting.com>
>they plop down, dead zero beat, without a QRL, and start calling
>CQ.......
Yes, there were plenty of those alligators, all right.
Scott K9MA
>From buettneb at guug.de Mon Dec 7 19:51:14 1992
From: buettneb at guug.de (buettneb at guug.de)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:28 2003
Subject: Busted Calls
Message-ID: <9212071855.AA03746 at muenchen.guug.de>
Hi Contesters
> What can REALLY slow me down in the last situation is when I give the
> correct call, but the other guy repeats his call phonetically instead
> of saying "QSL". That happens more often than you might think, and it
> really annoys me, because as soon as I hear phonetics I assume that I
> have the call wrong.
Ron makes a good point here. The procedures he describes is
something the JAs keep doing, especially on CW. It really
can drive you mad when you find out that you had the call right
all the time - after five times back and forth.
Please, all you JAs out there, READ THIS!
73 Ben
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>From oo7 at astro.as.utexas.edu Mon Dec 7 13:03:33 1992
From: oo7 at astro.as.utexas.edu (Derek Wills)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:28 2003
Subject: Backup Mults
Message-ID: <9212071903.AA29412 at astro.as.utexas.edu>
Rick N6ND says:
>You will not lose a multiplier for a deleted Q if you have obviously
>worked many stations in that country.
This was one of the thing K3ZO complained about in his NCJ piece about
ARRL log checking. He blew the exchange with his first F on 40 and
lost the mult credit for F even though he worked "several Fs on 40
later". It wasn't clear to me whether that was ARRL policy or just
one of several things that happened to this particular log.
Nice to run into some of you on 160 at the weekend, pardon the 100 watts -
Derek AA5BT
>From jayk at hpxxx.fc.hp.com Mon Dec 7 12:38:05 1992
From: jayk at hpxxx.fc.hp.com (Jay Kesterson K0GU x6826)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:28 2003
Subject: 160 test
Message-ID: <9212071938.AA24263 at hpxxx.fc.hp.com>
602 QSOs, 2 Countries, 72 Sections = 93,758 abt 15 hours
FT-1000D, Alpha 76PA, inverted L (vertical part only 19 feet tall), beverages.
The inverted L is mounted on top a metal roof barn (65 x 16) with no radials.
The metal roof is a great groundplane, even one this small. Everything I put
up there works great.
Also had lots of people move in on my running frequency. Seemed very cutthroat
below 1825. I know these guys could hear me. One WD5 came right on freq and
stayed there for abt 3 minutes till I sent his call with a few choice words.
Insert common excuse(s) disclaimer here:
Missed most of Friday night
I'm still a lid on CW
Biorhythms at triple low
Bad phase of moon
Jay K0GU
>From oo7 at astro.as.utexas.edu Mon Dec 7 14:03:39 1992
From: oo7 at astro.as.utexas.edu (Derek Wills)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:28 2003
Subject: 160 test
Message-ID: <9212072003.AA02539 at astro.as.utexas.edu>
602 QSOs, 2 Countries, 72 Sections = 93,758 abt 15 hours
Jay K0GU
Interesting that there was so little non-W/VE participation. I called
CT1AOZ several times when nobody else was and the best I got was "QRZ?"
for my 100 watts. I didn't hear YV1OB in there this time, and I was
rather surprised not to hear as much Caribbean participation as usual.
I only did 5 hrs on Saturday night, but the above score suggests that
there was very little else on. Perhaps people were worn out from CQWW.
Derek aa5bt
>From jayk at hpxxx.fc.hp.com Mon Dec 7 14:25:45 1992
From: jayk at hpxxx.fc.hp.com (Jay Kesterson K0GU x6826)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:28 2003
Subject: 160 test: lack of DX
Message-ID: <9212072125.AA24932 at hpxxx.fc.hp.com>
My big country total of 2 consisted of XE2 (called me) and 20 JAs.
EU is tough from Colorado on 160, when they do come through its mostly skew
path at about 70 degrees. We can go several weeks during the winter with
no 160 EU spots on the cluster. Also all the US stations CQing in the DX
window (what window? HI) make EU almost impossible from here during the test.
I'm sure the stations back east still worked their fair share of EU. Heard
K4XS work a few G stations that were ESP here.
But there certainly was a lack of mults from other areas. The only other DX
I heard was a P4 who was answering CQs. I moved a few KHz ahead of him a
couple of times but he never called me.
During the test I was thinking the ARRL 160 rules should state that only
DX can CQ from say 1830-1835. But if they did that some displaced 160 SSB
ragchewers would probably just take the nice clear spot.
Jay K0GU jayk at fc.hp.com
>From uw9ar at chal.chel.su Mon Dec 7 11:57:58 1992
From: uw9ar at chal.chel.su (Willy Umanets)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:28 2003
Subject: Hi Steven
References: <199212061613.AA10751 at techno.fuug.fi>
Message-ID: <AAMAu8hi_1 at chal.chel.su>
>Hi Willy,
Hi Steve,
>Your e-mail to cq-contest made it ! How the heck are you ?
I am happy it did it! The heck I am just fine!
Uncle Gene, N2AA, told me the otr day over the fone abt this
wonderful tng, the CQ-CONTEST on internet, so I immideately
sent a test msg to ole buddy of mine - Trey, WN4KKN. So nw am bck wid
u guys.
>How is life in Chelyabinsk ?
Life is ok. The onli pbm am hvng is almost no time fr amateur radio.
So, this hook up is a wonderful tool to fix up tt pbm.
>73,
>Steve, N2IC/0
73,
Willy, UW9AR
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>From ronklein at vnet.ibm.com Tue Dec 8 08:45:59 1992
From: ronklein at vnet.ibm.com (ronklein at vnet.ibm.com)
Date: Tue Jan 28 19:45:28 2003
Subject: Phone SS results - W0OSK
Message-ID: <mailman.22.1043801128.8266.cq-contest at contesting.com>
From: Ron Klein(ronklein at vnet.ibm.com
Subject: Phone SS results - W0OSK
For anyone compiling a summary of scores I had 1471Qs/77 sections/226,534
points in the High Power Single Op category.
If anyone has a current summary I would appreciate receiving it. I saw
some of the early data from 3820, but I assume the big totals have grown
since then.
I only see the CQ-CONTEST results indirectly, so if someone could send
the latest summary directly I would appreciate receiving it directly.
Ron Klein - W0OSK
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