40M Antenna dilemma

km9p at aol.com km9p at aol.com
Sun Mar 27 22:25:15 EST 1994

I warned you guys!  Another antenna question...

I have two 3" x 24' booms.  VERY thick walled.  I bought them as two 4
element quads.  I've been doing some work the past two weeks on optimizing
them into a 7 element on a 48' boom.  It now occurs to me that I may be
wasting my time.  

I also have two 402CD yagis that I had intended to stack for use on 40M. 
Would it be smarter to sell the 402's and buy the aluminum needed to make two
full sized 2 element yagis?  (I want to stick with 2 elements because I don't
want to hastle with replacing rotors and other hastles associated with a 3
element full sized.)  Afterall, the biggest expense for these antennas is the

If the answer is yes...  What do you recommend for element configuations for
such an antenna... As in, what sizes and how much overlap etc etc...

I sure appreciate your help, and putting up with my hogging the frequency!


>From j.p. kleinhaus" <kleinhaj at mary.iia.org  Mon Mar 28 03:38:31 1994
From: j.p. kleinhaus" <kleinhaj at mary.iia.org (j.p. kleinhaus)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 1994 22:38:31 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Single/Multi et al
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9403272254.A12785-0100000 at mary>

Having just started using two radios in the last CQWW SSB contest,
I can certainly see no reason to go back to a one-radio setup.
The amount of empty time that goes to waste (especially during
the night or on Sunday afternoon) while CQ'ing is astonishing!
By making only 4 QSO's per hour on the second radio, you end up
with 200 Q's you would have thrown away...many of the top spots
are separated by less than this margin.  It clearly requires
more ability and dedication than using one radio, but then that
is the measure of your desire to win. It combines skill (have YOU ever 
tried to listen to two radios at once) and technical competency (it
is not easy operating on 40 & 15 at the same time).

Why should those who excel be forced into another cass by virtue
of their achievements? Should stations with more than 1 tower be
in a separate class? Those with towers above 70 ft? Above 100 ft?
I hardly think so. The fact is that the station competing with
a tribander at 50 ft does not expect to win. Should we stifle their
incentive by making a special class so they can win? No..we should
off encouragement and guidance so that they can improve their staions
and their skills. The fact is, I have placed in the World top-10 in
the CQWW with a tri-bander at 50 ft and an inverted vee in a tree.
I was in the SOA high-power categroy with the big boys. Yes yes I know,
I'm on the East coast etc. So what? Some of the guys I beat were running
major hardware right here on the East coast. What made the difference?
I think it was partly luck but mostly determination.  I certainly
wouldn't want my victory cheapened by beig awarded a certificate for
a lesser category.  Leave Single/Multi alone...it belongs in the
Single-Op category as the state of the art.

Next case: Bring back the top-10 boxes *along* with the new regional
boxes in the ARRL write-ups. No reason to do away with it.

73 de J.P. AA2DU
ARRL Hudson Div. CAC Rep.

>From Trey Garlough <GARLOUGH at TGV.COM>  Mon Mar 28 03:58:35 1994
From: Trey Garlough <GARLOUGH at TGV.COM> (Trey Garlough)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 1994 19:58:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: igtony
Message-ID: <764827115.349375.GARLOUGH at TGV.COM>

> Does anyone know how to submit one's log to CQ by the internet?

Forget it.  CQ is not QRV.

--Trey, WN4KKN/6

>From Trey Garlough <GARLOUGH at TGV.COM>  Mon Mar 28 04:03:29 1994
From: Trey Garlough <GARLOUGH at TGV.COM> (Trey Garlough)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 1994 20:03:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Single/Multi et al
Message-ID: <764827409.245375.GARLOUGH at TGV.COM>

> Next case: Bring back the top-10 boxes *along* with the new regional
> boxes in the ARRL write-ups. No reason to do away with it.

Hmm.  I guess I have the minority viewpoint here.  Of what relavence 
are the top ten boxes?  What is the point of having a having a overall
top ten box in a DX contest, when it is a duplicate of the east coast
top ten box?  I don't get it.

It's not this way *every* time, but it will be during the next few.

--Trey, WN4KKN/6

>From Rick Zabrodski <zabrodsk at med.ucalgary.ca>  Mon Mar 28 05:05:39 1994
From: Rick Zabrodski <zabrodsk at med.ucalgary.ca> (Rick Zabrodski)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 1994 22:05:39 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Single/Multi et al
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9403272146.A25049-0100000 at ume>

My other hobby is flying (and competing of course) sailplanes (high 
performance, carbon fiber/kevlar gliders that fly 50 miles with one mile 
of altitude). In gliding competitions we have several classes that are 
more or less evenly matched according to wingspan (power/ performance 
equivilant).  However, there is a OPEN CLASS, where ANYTHING GOES (except 
a motor of course!) Some of these motorless flyjing machines cost in 
excess of 150K (I'm not kidding). However, anybody flying anything can 
compete in the open class and guess what? Often, two or three of the 
"lessor" aircraft make the top ten.  Hardware, isn't everything.  I use 
my drake 4c that I bought as a teen in 1972 as a second reciever with a 
sloping open wire feed dipole as my second reciever.....it helps all 
right, us qrp guys need all the help we can get!
rick ve6gk....glider king 73 

>From Dubberstein Steve" <dubberstein_steve at msmailer.hkimd.cig.mot.com  Mon Mar 28 07:50:07 1994
From: Dubberstein Steve" <dubberstein_steve at msmailer.hkimd.cig.mot.com (Dubberstein Steve)
Date: 28 Mar 1994 12:50:07 +0500
Subject: VS6WO WPX SSB M/M Score
Message-ID: <9403281838.AA11589 at hkcmpc1.hkimd.cig.mot.com>

             CQ WORLD WIDE WPX CONTEST 1994

      Call: VS6WO                    Country:  Hong Kong
      Mode: SSB                      Category: Multi Multi


      160        0        0   0.0        0
       80      394     1234   3.1       21
       40     1048     4002   3.8       55
       20     1904     4231   2.2      262
       15     2963     6078   2.1      555
       10     1157     1577   1.4       77

     Totals   7466    17122   2.3      970  =   16,608,340

Operators:  VS6WO, VR2GO, VR2IH, 9V1YC, JE1CKA, KJ4VH, K3WUW, DL5XX

Notes:  This is a new Asian Multi/Multi record.  Four stations, all antennas on
1/2 of an apartment rooftop.  CT 8.42 had an annoying problem in Multi/Multi
mode of displaying the total QSO number rather than the per-band QSO number. 
20 meters open all night on the second evening allowing us to gain enough QSO's
to break the record.

regards, steve VS6WO/NA9D

>From Paul Hellenberg <Paul.Hellenberg at mixcom.mixcom.com>  Mon Mar 28 13:02:22 1994
From: Paul Hellenberg <Paul.Hellenberg at mixcom.mixcom.com> (Paul Hellenberg)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 94 7:02:22 CST
Subject: WPX Scores
Message-ID: <199403281302.NAA21919 at mixcom.mixcom.com>

WPX SSB Scores

KS9K BY N0BSH    785 X 443   =  810,690

WE9V @ KS9K     1674 X 696   = 2,653,152


Paul Hellenberg KS9K
paul.hellenberg at mixcom.com

>From rklein at lobo.rmh.pr1.k12.co.us (Ronald D. Klein)  Mon Mar 28 13:14:21 1994
From: rklein at lobo.rmh.pr1.k12.co.us (Ronald D. Klein) (Ronald D. Klein)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 94 6:14:21 MST
Subject: WPX log e-mail address
Message-ID: <9403281314.AA57226 at lobo.rmh.pr1.k12.co.us>

Forwarded message:
> > Does anyone know how to submit one's log to CQ by the internet?
> Forget it.  CQ is not QRV.
> --Trey, WN4KKN/6
This post did provide an e-mail address for WPX logs - see below:

Ron - W0OSK

Errors-To: CQ-Contest-Relay at TGV.COM
Sender: CQ-Contest-Relay at TGV.COM
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 1994 18:52:52 +0000
From: Steve Bolia N8BJQ <sdb at ag9v.ampr.org>
Reply-To: Steve Bolia N8BJQ <sdb at ag9v.ampr.org>
Subject: wpx contest e-mail info
To: cq <cq-contest at tgv.com>
Message-Id: <Pine.3.87.9403191852.A841-0100000 at ag9v>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Status: RO

Starting with the 1994 contests, CQ WPX logs can be submitted via e-mail 
on the internet. The e-mail address is sdb at ag9v.ampr.org.  Logs must be in 
ASCII format with all of the required information. The log should be 
unformatted and space delimited.  For those using "CT", WRITEARRL or 
AK1AFORMAT will produce a file that is acceptable.  Other popular 
logging programs should produce unformatted ASCII files in a similar 
format. A summary sheet and a sorted prefix list are also required.  Please 
include a phone or fax number where you can be reached.  If electronic 
submission is well received, it will be continued in the future.  This 
address is for CQ WPX Logs only.

Steve, N8BJQ

>From Tony Brock-Fisher <fisher at hp-and.an.hp.com>  Mon Mar 28 14:22:17 1994
From: Tony Brock-Fisher <fisher at hp-and.an.hp.com> (Tony Brock-Fisher)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 09:22:17 -0500
Message-ID: <9403281422.AA16739 at hp-and.an.hp.com>

                       CQ WORLD WIDE WPX CONTEST  1994

      Call: WX1Z (at K1KP)           Country:  United States
      Mode: SSB                      Category: Multi Single


      160        0        0   0.0        0
       80      210      334   1.6      112
       40      156      536   3.4       76
       20      705     1403   2.0      288
       15     1033     2566   2.5      255
       10       35      100   2.9       17

     Totals   2139     4939   2.3      748  =   3,694,372

All reports sent were 59(9), unless otherwise noted.

Operator List: WX1Z, N1OEK, K1KP, WA1S, KB2R

Equipment Description:
IC-765, SB-220, KT-34XA (70'), 40-2CD (80'), A4 (40'), Delta loop 80M,
386DX40, CT8.52

Club Affiliation: YCCC

This is to certify that in this contest I have operated
my transmitter within the limitations of my license and have
observed fully the rules and regulations of the contest.

                             Signature _________________________________



>From alan at dsd.es.com (Alan Brubaker)  Mon Mar 28 14:36:13 1994
From: alan at dsd.es.com (Alan Brubaker) (Alan Brubaker)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 94 07:36:13 MST
Subject: WPX Score.
Message-ID: <9403281436.AA20904 at dsd.ES.COM>

HC8A (N6KT opr)

QRP  3640 QSOs x ??? Mult.

All bands.

Rich had planned to go QRO but amplifier died at the last
minute. He started out running 1/2 watt because he mis-interpreted
the reading on his wattmeter! He increased power to 5 watts after
discovering the error. 10 meters was poor on Sunday, but was quite
productive on Saturday.

Alan, K6XO

>From Richard Hallman <0006135537 at mcimail.com>  Mon Mar 28 15:29:00 1994
From: Richard Hallman <0006135537 at mcimail.com> (Richard Hallman)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 94 10:29 EST
Subject: KI3V/7 & WPX!
Message-ID: <20940328152902/0006135537NA5EM at mcimail.com>

                       CQ WORLD WIDE WPX CONTEST  1994

      Call: KI3V/7                   Country:  United States
      Mode: SSB                      Category: Single Operator


      160        4        4   1.0        3
       80      124      228   1.8       34
       40      177     1000   5.6       46
       20      709     1077   1.5      367
       15      461      818   1.8      163
       10       42       93   2.2       14

     Totals   1517     3220   2.1      627  =   2,018,940

  Operating time: 20 hours.....

  Well, Here we Go!!     Conditions seemed to be SUPER for
the entire weekend.   15 meters started very slow on Friday
but picked up after that.  

   On Saturday night at about 7 PM the Alpha 77 shutdown
on its own.  The Rcv signals were way down too. I figured that 
the TR relay in the Alpha died or the TR switching had a problem.
Ive been working on solving a problem with the TR circuit
in the Alpha for the last few months and thought I really 
messed something up now.  Pulled amp apart and troubleshot
and didnt find anything wrong. Did some tests and all seemed to be
OK.  Now its about 9 PM.  Hooked rig to antennas direct and still
no Rcv!!  Ahhh.......Remote Coax Switch!!!   Since ALL antennas go 
through the remote coax switch, I had nothing to use!  
10 PM.....Took a trip up the tower with flash light, and I smelled a
bad burn smell coming from the switch box.   Decided to wait till
Morning to pull box down before I fell down! 
    7 AM Sunday......Pulled the relay box down and found water
in two of the relays, and LOTSA burned stuff!   Installed a 
replacement Relay box and thought I was done.....NOT!
  Had to replace PL-259 also from main feed to relay box!!   Not fun
at 100 feet and having to solder!!   
  Put amp back together and operated for the last few hours.....

  One of these days.......        See Ya!    Rich KI3V

  AM I the only one that has these problems???    ha.....

>From jlgiasi at umassmed.UMMED.EDU (John L. Luigi Giasi)  Mon Mar 28 15:42:42 1994
From: jlgiasi at umassmed.UMMED.EDU (John L. Luigi Giasi) (John L. Luigi Giasi)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 94 10:42:42 EST
Subject: WPX Scores
Message-ID: <9403281542.AA08910 at umassmed.UMMED.EDU>

In the message from Paul Hellenberg, KS9K
->WPX SSB Scores
->KS9K BY N0BSH    785 X 443   =  810,690

single band 75m

->WE9V @ KS9K     1674 X 696   = 2,653,152

single band 15m

Paul would probably want you to know that.

73 de Luigi, AA1AA
John L. Luigi Giasi, AA1AA			     jlgiasi at umassmed.ummed.edu
System Programmer/Administrator
Information Resources Division        
Univ. of Mass. Medical Center				         (508) 856-UNIX
Worcester, MA 01655                                         FAX: (508) 856-2440

>From bhorn at netcom.com (Bruce Horn)  Mon Mar 28 16:11:02 1994
From: bhorn at netcom.com (Bruce Horn) (Bruce Horn)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 08:11:02 -0800
Subject: WPX Result
Message-ID: <199403281611.IAA29958 at mail.netcom.com>

CQ Worldwide WPX Contest - 1994

Call:  WA7BNM
Mode:  SSB
Category: Single Op, Single Band, Low Power (Unassisted)
Location: Southern California

Band    QSO    QSO Pts    Pts/Q    Prefixes
 15     923      1780      1.9       473    =   841,940

Antenna: 6-el monoband yagi at 105 ft

Because of work commitments, wasn't able to start contest until
0130Z.  Total on-time = 24.8 hours.  14% of QSOs were non-scoring
(i.e. no QSO points, not a multiplier).  Had a lot fun in first
time single band effort.

73 de Bruce, WA7BNM   (bhorn at netcom.com)

>From cook_a_r_j_andrew <cook_a_r_j_andrew at bt-web.bt.co.uk>  Mon Mar 28 16:25:18 1994
From: cook_a_r_j_andrew <cook_a_r_j_andrew at bt-web.bt.co.uk> (cook_a_r_j_andrew)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 17:25:18 +0100
Subject: EME Contest

Hi All,

This was posted to the VHF reflector by one my colleagues. It is
however relevant to this forum also. I have to concur with SOME of the
sentiments expressed here - I wasn't QRV last year for the November
weekend of the EME contest since it clashed with the Region 1 2m CW
contest, and I certainly won't be on for either weekend this time if
it clashes with the biggest European contests of the year on 2m and
70cm respectively. 

John's address is regnault_j_c at bt-web.bt.co.uk.


Andy Cook, G4PIQ.
cook_a_r_j_andrew at bt-web.bt.co.uk

          Development & Procurement     From:     regnault_j_c at bt-web.bt.co.uk@R11F at MRGATE@WEBCS
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Subject: 1994 ARRL eme Contest

Hi all, 

Does anybody know, for sure, the dates for the 1994 ARRL eme contest ?
I hear a rumour that they have been chosen to be the fist weekends of
September and October.(Sept 3/4 & Oct 1/2) If that is the case, it
seems that yet again the ARRL has aranged the eme contest, where more
than 50% of the entrants are European, to clash with the major IARU
region 1 VHF events. 

Is there no sense at all in those that advise the ARRL on these dates?
Everybody in the European VHF world knows that the first weekend in
September is the region 1 144MHZ contest, the first weekend in October
is the region 1 UHF-SHF event and the first weekend in November is the
region 1 144MHz CW event. Any clashes with eme events cause severe QRM
to those living within 300-500Km of the main centres of activity in
Europe. In addition a clash will reduce the number of stations active
for the eme contest. 

The ARRL eme event managing to clash with one is bad enough but
clashing with two smells of a deliberate anti-Europe ploy in the
US.-could this be because the americans have noticed that they are
loosing their dominance of eme contests ? 

An additional very undesirable feature of the September choice of
weekend is the close proximity, az & el, of the sum. The result of
this being to considerably raise the noise floor for those with
smaller arrays and cause side-lobe problems for those with larger
antennas. -the fact that this condition penalises the European
operator during his US window may be just a co-incidence. 

Go on tell me it's not a plot 

73's de John G4SWX 

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