No CW????????

w1hij at w1hij at
Fri Dec 6 10:03:41 EST 1996

Dan, KS6Z 

Thanks for the reply...

I've had the same experience on 40 CW. 

It seems to me that one of the problems is that since there is no one there 
to work, there's no incentive for novices to get on the band. What I am 
looking for is a way to create that incentive---

My thoughts were that if there was some valuable information being passed 
along (as well as just the pleasure of meeting someone new), then it might be 
easier to attract people to the band(s).

What's interesting is that the response to my posting has been very limited. 
I'm tempted to observe that a lot of people like to talk about the issue of 
how to attract and keep new cw ops, but not very many people are willing to 
try to do something about it.

Oh well, I'll give it another few days before drawing a final conclusion.

73, de Bill W1HIJ (see you on 40)

smscompany at

>From mad3 at (Dominiak, Michael A)  Fri Dec  6 19:02:00 1996
From: mad3 at (Dominiak, Michael A) (Dominiak, Michael A)
Date: Fri, 06 Dec 96 14:02:00 EST
Subject: No CW????????
Message-ID: <32A86DB4 at>

Perhaps a better incentive would be to let novices have access to talking 
with more experienced cw operators by moving the novice cw bands lower in 
frequency, say 3550 - 3600, 7050 - 7100, 21050 - 21100, and 28050 - 28100. 
 They could then really participate in some of the cw contests!  Who knows, 
maybe some might get hooked on contesting and develop into first class cw 
ops!  This would also have the added benefit of freeing up the current 
novice spectrum and allow some of the digital modes and non-US ssb stations 
to move higher and out of the congested lower 100 kHz of the bands.

Mike Dominiak, W2KA
mad3 at

>From pib2822 at (Claudio Veroli I4VEQ)  Fri Dec  6 19:06:29 1996
From: pib2822 at (Claudio Veroli I4VEQ) (Claudio Veroli I4VEQ)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 20:06:29 +0100
Subject: de IQ4A about non mult qsos worked on mult stn.
Message-ID: <199612061906.UAA18864 at>

Hi guys,
        I think we have something to explain you, I believed that the most
of you just know it but let me have your opinion. 
More then one year ago I written an article for a local contest magazine, I
titled it "The unwritten rules of the WWDX Multi Single". It was based on
the CQ WWDX Contest
Handbook 1994 edition, by K3EST and this topic has treated in "THE ANNOTATED

Doug K4LT wrote:
>>Come on, multi-single is ONE transmitter as a run station and ONE
>>multiplier band transmitter.

The Handbook said on page 27
"How many stations can I have as a M/S?  You can have as many as you want.
However only one run station and only one mult station are allowed to
operate within a particular 10 minutes period."

So K4AAA wrote:  
>> > Same thing happened to me (sorta).  I found IQ4A calling CQ TEST MULT de
>> > IQ4A IQ4A.  Well, I had to be a multiplier right?  He worked me with
someone elses >> > callsign.

The Handbook said on page 28:
"Can the MULT station call CQ? Yes, but it can only log new multipliers for
"Can a different callsign be used at the M/S QTH? Yes,but not to solicit any
QSO's for the contest M/S."
"What can the MULT station logs? Only new multipliers."  

So Bill we hope to have done the right thing: 
- we probably gave you a new multipliers as IK4EWK.
- we did not log you in our IQ4A logs on 10, because you were not a MULT and
we could't   log you.
- we did not solicit any other qso's for the contest call IQ4A
I think this follows perfectly the "annotated rules".

After then we start to call CQ on 10 as (I4LCK or IK4EWK) just to give an
opportunity to all US that still need zone 15 and I to work someone, the
rate was too low to move the runner station of IQ4A on 10 and probably no
Single Band or M/M were active from Italy.
So Trey wrote:
>Interesting that this should come up.  I worked these guys four times
>on ten meters on Sunday, and I have to confess I'm a little confused
>about the whole thing.
>    24-Nov-96  1309   5104    10   I4LCK        599 15    15  I       3
>    24-Nov-96  1814   5657    10   I4LCK        599 15    -DUPLICATE- 0
>    24-Nov-96  1831   5680    10   IQ4A         599 15                3
>    24-Nov-96  1834   5685    10   IK4XQH       599 15                3
>I called them the first time, and they called me the other three times.
>What I don't understand is how it can possibly make sense to sign some
>call other than the one you are trying to win the contest with.

So Trey you readed above the reason why you found I4LCK calling CQ on 10. He
worked you and he gave you Zone and Country MULT without soliciting any
other QSO's.
He was very interested to work you on 10 and he was not sure to complete the
first contact with you, because your signal was really at the noise level,
so when we heard you better he decided to call you again, after then, when
the MULT station of IQ4A was on 10 we finally logged HC8.
Fabio IK4XQH is a new comer so he was only interested to work you with his
own call, no strategy. 

> I am multi-single and I have worked D44BC already on 15, and I hear
>them CQing on 15 and would like to ask them to QSY to ten.  My run
>station is on 20, and the mult station has been on 15 for 11 minutes.
>I should:
>A) D44BC de HC8N, PSE QSY 28010

Yes, the only answer is A. B is out of the rules because you can't solicit any
QSO's using a separate call from the Multi Single QTH.
This example is very different from the situation that you showed above
concerning IQ4A. We did not solicit any QSO or QSY  using separate calls.
We use 6 stations, one for each band, all of them are ready to go as runner
or multiplier station. Of course one is the runner and one is the multiplier
at a time. We use a separate homebrew software to manage the multiplier
station and particularly the ten minutes rule.
So you always know exactly on what band is the MULT station, how long we
still have to remain on that band, and you can get reservation for the next
ten minutes periods. So ten minutes are used to work new multipliers that we
have memorized before and we do not waste all the ten minutes in a period to
search for it. 
Sometimes we use the rest of the ten minutes period calling CQ MULT, this is 
often useful on ten meters with this kind propagation. 
Of course we lose a lot of  new MULT waiting for the ten minutes period.

In my opinion the possibility to call CQ at the MULT station creates a great
but the rules now permit this type of operation and sometimes you really get
calls from  
some new mult on empty bands (like 10 meters at the present time).

That's all, let me know your opinion it will be very appreciated..

  73 de Claudio I4VEQ/IQ4A. 



>From wlminer at pbsac04.isp.PacBell.COM (wlminer)  Fri Dec  6 19:14:00 1996
From: wlminer at pbsac04.isp.PacBell.COM (wlminer) (wlminer)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 11:14:00 -0800
Subject: Zone 18 and Zone 23 Suffixes
Message-ID: <9612061919.AA01784 at>

Hello Paul,  Saw your reflector posting and just wanted to say  HEY!   I'm 
working and living  in Sacramento.  Did not get a vanity call so I'm still 
one  of the "H"s.   Hope to see you on the bands or at a club meeting 
sometime.  73 &  Happy Holidays,   Bill - WG6H     wlminer at
From: pwhansen
To: cq-contest
Subject: Zone 18 and Zone 23 Suffixes
Date: Friday, December 06, 1996 8:01AM

The better contesting programs still stumble over CQ Zones 18 and 23.  I
was hoping somebody had in their files a current list of UA9 and UA0
suffixes typically located in Zone 18, and a list of UA0 and BY9 (I
think) suffixes found in Zone 23.  Reply by mail.  If this is of any
interset to others I'll summarize later.  Thanks in advance.

Paul Hansen, W6XA (ex AE6H)

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