TopBand: local yackers

Garry Shapiro ni6t at
Tue Nov 19 02:03:28 EST 1996

Jim Dugger wrote:

> I offer an open invitation to wb4iuy to come to 1850 and state his
> position, instead of making up lies, and hiding behind a keyboard.
> I seriously doubt that he has the testacles to personally confront
> those whom he has slandered

Wasn't Testacles a famous Greek philosopher?

Garry Shapiro, NI6T
Editor, The DXer
newsletter of the Northern California DX Club

>From Andrew at (Andrew Williamson)  Tue Nov 19 08:15:38 1996
From: Andrew at (Andrew Williamson) (Andrew Williamson)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 08:15:38 +0000
Subject: SSTV Window
Message-ID: <a6YiRDAqyWkyEwwV at>

In message <961118224710_1250994285 at>, K7LXC at
>      The SSTV'ers that I've encountered during contests have been
>exceptionally rude, crude and  obnoxious to the point where I considered
>taking up stamp collecting rather than put up with these jerks and their
>assinine behavior.  I refuse to be polite to these *&#!^%%s  and suggest
>international tuneup frequencies of 14.231 and 3.813.
>     Flame on.

Nice suggestion Steve.  We get hammered by that trash in EU too.  

I wonder would 'testing' (Oooooollaaaaaaa, one, two) our microphones
(outside a contest, of course) annoy them as much as their rubbish
annoys us?  Mmmm, might be worth a try to see what the response would
be.  Then when they get really angry, just say 'see you in the contests'
and QSY.

No, I wouldn't do that......... really!!

See you all in CQWW CW.  I'll be operating as GI0KOW.

Flame on, I'll not be here to read it for about nine days.

Andrew Williamson, GI0NWG/AC6WI
E-mail : andrew at

>From silver at (Carlos Augusto S. Pereira)  Tue Nov 19 12:34:04 1996
From: silver at (Carlos Augusto S. Pereira) (Carlos Augusto S. Pereira)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:34:04 -0200
Subject: AL-80B probs
Message-ID: < at>

Hi all,

After replacing the 3-500Z my amplifier is working again and ready for the
CQWW CW Contest. Also I cut the green wire located on the rear PC Board to
put the amp working on 10 meters but it didn't work. What's wrong? I
followed the Ameritron instructions!!!


Carlos - PY1CAS

>From tomwagner at (Tom Wagner)  Tue Nov 19 13:12:42 1996
From: tomwagner at (Tom Wagner) (Tom Wagner)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 08:12:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: 15" Monitors for Contest Stations
Message-ID: < at>

I am collecting reports on 15" monitors.  I am interested
in their suitability for contest stations.  Most 
important is how much RFI they put out.  Also important
is if they are susceptible to RF or magnetic fields.
Contesters don't have the option to turn off the computer
while operating.  

I would like *SPECIFIC* model numbers.  Your fellow
contesters would like to buy monitors based on your 
reports.  It may be true that an entire brand may be
good based on a single model, but most people would 
not like to bet $300-500 on it.  

Summary of 15" monitor survey so far:

Brand        Model RFI
------------ ----- ----------------
Packard-Bell VLMF  Stinks
NEC          XV15  Good - 2 reports
NEC          XE15  No noise
NEC          ???   Presumably good
Viewsonic    15EX  Not too bad
Samsung      15GLE A little RFI
Sony         ???   Less (hearsay - 2 reports)
MAG          ???   Good 15" & 17"
ACER         56L   BAD
ACER         ???   Is the worst

Original posting and details follow
There was a thread on 17" monitors, but I am interested 
in replacing my 15" Acer 56L monitor.  It has too much
rf coming out the front, plus one of the guns is starting 
to flake out.

Could you let me know what 15" monitors you like and 
dislike for contest use?  I am most interested in
rf susceptibility and noise generation, the features
hardest to evaluate at the computer show.

I'll post the results at the end of the week.

Tom - N1MM

P.S.  The NEC MultiSync XV15 I borrowed from 
work is pretty quiet, but pretty expensive.
I have a packard bell VLMF... it might not radiate as many of those harmful rays
that kill your eyes, but it sure stinks on rf. I have done just about everything
one can do to cure it (paint inside with metalized paint, etc) but to no avail. 
I now have it set up far enough away ~2-3 feet, that it isn't getting to the rig
now, but boy what a pain to read and operate during the contests.

Al - kk5zx   
The Viewsonic 15EX seems to be just fine. Not too bad in the
computer/monitor noise department.
Jay Townsend, WS7I  < jayt at >
I use a SAMSUNG Syncmaster 15GLe....crisp display, never any RFI incoming,
but maybe a little bit of a RFI generator, but not bad at all.... 


VE6JY is Don Moman               email: ve6jy at 
I sure would like to know what you find.  The emi/rfi output is especially
key.  Got A input from local guy that Sony has less emi/rfi as its power
supply is shielded internally. Not sure if valid, so would like your summary.


w7om at
I use an NEC Multisync. I guess you get what you pay for.

73. Ken, K6LA - Ken Six Los Angeles, KWIDELITZ at DELPHI.COM

MAG makes good 15 and 17 inch monitors.

ACER is the worst...

John, K1AE

Tom, no problems with my NECX XE15, tho it's expensive.  No noise or
problems from RF.

73, Jim N7US

Perhaps you get what you pay for. After enduring several "economy"
Chinese monitors that generated noise and regularly blew flyback
transfomers, I bit the bullet and bought a NEC Multisync XV15. It sits
right next to my TS930S and is pretty damned quiet. I already had an
older 17" NEC on my Macintosh, 3 feet away and loved it. Good display,
sturdy, no problems. The industry people I have talked to have a simple
refrain: there is NEC, there is SONY...and there is everyone else.
Garry Shapiro, NI6T
Editor, The DXer
newsletter of the Northern California DX Club

>From syam at (De Syam)  Tue Nov 19 13:49:28 1996
From: syam at (De Syam) (De Syam)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 08:49:28 -0500 (EST)
Subject: SSTV Window
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.961119084635.1890B-100000 at>

On Tue, 19 Nov 1996, Bruce Sawyer wrote:

> I was running at 14227, and one of the SSTV bunch came down and tried to
> dump his garbage on me.  Usually they only try to pick their fights at
> 14230-14235, so I was a little surprised to see them come down so low.

Actually I noticed last week that the SSTV'ers were fighting with the
14226.5 DX Net.  Can it be that two parties who deserve each other
have finally found each other?

                                          Very 73,

                                         Fred Laun, K3ZO

>From tree at (Larry Tyree)  Tue Nov 19 14:30:19 1996
From: tree at (Larry Tyree) (Larry Tyree)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 06:30:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: SSTV and QRP
Message-ID: <199611191430.GAA15349 at>

Y'all know how much I love to tie two subjects together whenever
I can, and here is another opportunity.

While operating Q power in the SS SSB, I was able to work a few 
people by calling CQ on 14228.  I think I was too weak for the 
average SSTV station to hear me, but I did get some contesters
to come back...

Try that with your KW!

Tree N6TR
The ham not known as N7TR
n7trNOT at

>From ddjones at (Dale Jones K5MM)  Tue Nov 19 14:31:02 1996
From: ddjones at (Dale Jones K5MM) (Dale Jones K5MM)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 06:31:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: QRP or QRO, who is better???
Message-ID: <m0vPrCY-000D1aC at>

        Recently AA8U stated.....       
        "I am convinced that the operator that is proficient at 
        QRP is a better operator than his QRO peers."  I do not
        believe that statement is defendable or certifable  by
        example, and thus it is not necessarily true.  

        One would be better served by stating something along the
        lines of.....I am convinced that a GREAT QRP operator is
        just as good as a GREAT QRO operator !!  This statement
        may be supportable.

        Operating QRP requires many DIFFERENT skills, not better
        skills, than operating QRO.  Moreover it is probably
        true that most great QRO ops honed some QRP-low power
        operating skills early in their ham radio contesting
        careers.  Those QRP skills are CERTAINLY useful in  
        contesting in general, because among other things, 
        there are times when propagation is such that QRO makes 
        no difference and behaves like QRP.   

        The top QRO operators are superior operators, and to
        state that "proficient QRP" operators are better than
        their QRO counterparts, in general, is not provable
        and is not true.

        Dale K5MM 

At 06:41 PM 11/18/96 -0500, you wrote:
>Hello Sean,
>I almost always run QRO, out of habit I guess. 
>I've entered SS numerous times both modes, single-op and multi-op. Each time
>I continue to be amazed at the number of QRP contacts in my log AND many of
>them win out in getting my attention over the top of several A and B power
>stations also calling. The obvious talents these operators exhibit is
>Last year I entered part time in Field Day as a QRP station and made a shade
>over 200 Q's in the first couple hours. What a suprise. It was a blast too.
>I'm convinced that the operator that is proficient at QRP is a better
>operator than his QRO peers. 
>Don't get discouraged, keep at it. You should be proud of your
>accomplishments in the QRP class.  
>One of these days I'm going to really test myself and enter as a serious QRP
>effort. I'm sure I will learn a lot the hard way, but it will no doubt be
>much fun!
>>After a rough SS SSB this weekend  (QRP and wires...Masochism Incarnate),
>>I've more or less decided that I'm not gonna do SSB QRP anymore (I am a
>>Cubs fan, battle cry is 'wait till next year!')
>>is it fair to say that the skills
>>developed by the best QRPérs are radically different than the KW folks, or
>>is it just pileup skills to the n'th degree?
>>SInce everybody has
>>to go S& Píng at SOME point, I was just curious if folks thought there was
>>a difference in the approach to S & P.
>>Sean Kutzko KX9X

>From kk7a at (Jim - KK7A)  Tue Nov 19 14:46:26 1996
From: kk7a at (Jim - KK7A) (Jim - KK7A)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 07:46:26 -0700
Subject: SSTV and QRP
Message-ID: <01BBD5ED.C75013E0 at>

You've been hanging out at W5WMU too long!

Jim Larson - KK7A - <><
Boise, Idaho

From: 	Larry Tyree[SMTP:tree at]
Sent: 	Monday, November 18, 1996 11:30 PM
To: 	cq-contest at
Subject: 	SSTV and QRP

Y'all know how much I love to tie two subjects together whenever
I can, and here is another opportunity.

While operating Q power in the SS SSB, I was able to work a few 
people by calling CQ on 14228.  I think I was too weak for the 
average SSTV station to hear me, but I did get some contesters
to come back...

Try that with your KW!

Tree N6TR
The ham not known as N7TR
n7trNOT at

>From k0wa at (Lee Buller)  Tue Nov 19 15:49:50 1996
From: k0wa at (Lee Buller) (Lee Buller)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 09:49:50 -0600
Subject: Start the bullets flyi
Message-ID: < at>

At 08:28 PM 11/18/96 -0500, you wrote:
>As I'm sure you've heard by now (probably from a number of sources!) the
>callsign IS a required part of the SS exchange.  Yes, you are "repeating
>yourself"....but the exchange (which has it's roots in the ARL radiogram)
>includes the callsign.
>73  Mike W5FX
Thanks for the "nice" response.  I'm sure glad that we did the "right" way
for 99.999999 percent of all contacts.  In the late 70s....almost all the
top gun contesters were omitting the call...saying, "455 B 12 Ohio"  I
really didn't hear very much of this on the air this weekend.  But, we have
to have someting to talk about here on the reflector.

Again thanks for the message.
k0wa at

>From mraz at (Kris Mraz, N5KM)  Tue Nov 19 15:51:22 1996
From: mraz at (Kris Mraz, N5KM) (Kris Mraz, N5KM)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 09:51:22 -0600
Subject: SSTV Window
References: <199611182227.RAA13990 at>
Message-ID: <3291D77A.1944 at>

I had an SSTV interlude during SS also. I had been living in harmony
with the SSTV crowd for over 3 hours. I was at 14234.8 while the SSTVers
were at 14230 and 14233. I would occasionally hear some SSTV signal get
into my passband but nothing objectionable. And none of them came up to
complain to me. Then someone in PA called to say he wanted to run SSTV
there and that I should move ("It would be the courteous thing to do").
I relayed to him the hours of harmony until he came along to which he
replied "I'm done talking to you, idiot. Take some of this". Followed
immediately by 40 over 9 SSTV. Another ham came on to say that the ARRL
band plan shows 14230 - 14236 was reserved for SSTV. I checked the ARRL
web site after the contest and it only mentions 14230 (bandplan.txt).
I tried to work some more through the SSTV but ultimately had to abandon
the frequency.

By the way bandplan.txt says the 80m SSTV freq is 3845.

Kris N5KM 
mraz at

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