[CQ-Contest] more - Has contest ended yet?
Dale Jones K5MM
ddjones at nas.com
Tue Jun 30 01:59:35 EDT 1998
Since I wrote the original 'quote', I'll respond here with a couple of
You are absolutely right that the contest community has been comparing logs
to data bases for years. That is PRECISELY my point. We have that
technology. Why in the hell not use it, and let everyone use it -- because
are going to do so anyway -- and thus level the playing field.
There are so many analogies around to compare this with, it's almost a laugh.
Auto racing began using two-way radios in the 1960's, and you should have
heard the screams from the guys that didn't have them. CHEATERS!!
Nowadays, everyone uses top quality Motorola radios. There is so much RIGHT
about pushing the envelope of technology. Otherwise, we'd be using spark gap
transmitters on low frequencies to contest and dx with. That is why there is
such a big debate in the NFL about using Instant Replay for making judgement
calls on plays. To me, it is absurd to have the technology and not use it.
To attempt to keep Ham Radio contests in the 'cave-man' era is ridiculous.
This new stuff is coming along, and the community should figure out how to
effectively use it. Legitimately. Level the playing field for ALL.
Your comment about "right or wrong, vs. do the contest organizers care" is
difficult for me to understand. If you want a debate about "do the contest
organizers care" then why don't you start one. THIS debate is about what is
right or wrong. I believe it started with K1AR's editorial, and then
a posting here by W4AN with his comments was provided. This issue is when
does a contest end. THAT's the debate on this issue. It obviously has enough
interest from many folks to have generated a dozen or so responses so far.
a GOOD debate, with legitimate issues on both sides.
Where did you read that someone listens to a 48 hour tape of a past contest?
Jim Neiger didn't say that. Really now, virtually NO ONE will listen to the
whole contest again. To suggest otherwise exhibits a poor understanding of
how people will behave after one of these contests.
To conclude, I will suggest that NOT ONE RANKING PLACE would change
in the summary of entries to a contest because guys are allowed or encouraged
to clean their logs up after a contest, using the available technology that
-- all of it. Thus in the spirit of what actually happened during a
clean the logs up, massage the data bases, and 'fix' the call signs, dupes,
before submitting them. Everyone can do it, no holds barred, and the field is
Hell, we've been 'massaging' logs AFTER THE CONTESTS for as long as I've
been contesting, and no doubt well before that. Now that we have some better
technology, some folks are suggesting that we should not use it....after
I believe it's inappropriate to restrict technology, especially in a technology
driven activity such as ham radio. The recent comments by N6TJ, K6KR, and
W0MU do apply and are most appropriate so far as I am concerned.
Dale Jones K5MM
At 11:49 PM 6/29/98 -0000, you wrote:
>Dale, K5MM said:
> > Now, does that mean an operator should be able to compare his logs against
> > a huge database and correct improperly sent/received call signs? Needs an
> > answer.
>The answer is we have been doing it for years - press F12 - Super Cheat
>Over the years, I have wasted my time on three separate occasions writing
>to contest committees about rules infractions - all three times they were
>pu pu'ed off. All three times the infractions were obviously visable by only
>viewing the logs of a particular station.
>I don't think the discussion should be what is right or what is wrong. I
>think the discussion should be does anybody who is running a contest
>Personally, I was amazed that anybody takes the time to listen to 48 hours
>worth of audio tapes. Sounds to me like somebody has been in the basement
>73, Jim KH2D
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