[CQ-Contest] WhereRU

Douglas Priest w3cf at home.com
Fri Jun 22 14:48:46 EDT 2001

Dear Mr. Robbins,

I did not accuse and I didn't "attack". I merely asked a question. The
footer for the applications says in big bold letters "YCCC" so I assume
there is a Writelog users group within YCCC that uses the software. We were
not aware of it and I simply wanted to clarify the rumor of the program.
BTW, I got a nice letter from the author explaining what his intentions were
and what additions he wants to add so that any notion of impropriety would
be removed. It is pasted below. I just want a level playing field. Nothing
more, nothing less


Doug W3CF

Hi Doug,

You can download both the WhereRU server and client from my
site, http://www.w1ve.com/whereru.

The app is still in beta; I've not had too much time to do more work
on it lately.  However, I will be adding some features to be able to
share scores among WhereRU users.  This will be very cool for things
like the NA Sprint, where everyone on your team can see how they
are doing in real time.  I will also add the ability to hide your
transmit frequency (just show general band usage), to prevent it's
use as a spotting mechanism.   At some point I want to add the
ability to update a web page in real time, so that we can truly have
contest spectators.


Gerry, W1VE/VE1RM
Greenfield, NH
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-cq-contest at contesting.com
[mailto:owner-cq-contest at contesting.com]On Behalf Of David Robbins
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 9:44 AM
To: Douglas Priest; CQ-Contest
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WhereRU

[to W3CF]

don't 'accuse' the yccc of using it.  i never heard of it till it was
brought up
on here.  and since i don't use writelog i'm not likely to use it in the

and why attack this new application as being a cause of ethical questions.
about single ops that monitor packet without connecting?  or that connect
with a
different call than what they are running in the contest?  at least in this
you are part of a group that all the other users can see who is there and
monitoring.  with the dx spotting network you have no idea who may be

how would it make a group a m/m???  unless maybe the group submits all their
scores under a single callsign as some 'distributed' m/m stations do now
without this program.

in short this looks like another nice way for a group to share some
how useful it may be in a contest i would wonder about.  and since the
you are looking for would have to be a member of your group i would tend to
doubt that it would be much help finding dx or even qso's.  about the only
i can see off hand would be to take hints from what band someone else is on,
to know what frequency to stay away from for cqing because you know its

basically i would not question the ethics of a computer program, it only
processes information that is fed to it... question the ethics of operators.

Douglas Priest wrote:
> So this would make a single operator into a assisted op, correct?? Or
> it actually make the group connected into a M/M not within the 500 meter
> boundaries? I think it raises some ethical questions as there is no way of
> knowing if a single op was actually a single op or was using whereru. I
> from the footer in the demo page that YCCC uses it. Are the rest of the
> clubs using it too? Perhaps I am way out of line here but when I first
> of it it didn't sound too copasetic. Anyone from the committee have a
> comment? Having a static IP here would allow me to have a whereru server
> here in a heartbeat :-)  This is news to us.

David Robbins K1TTT
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