[CQ-Contest] "?" not equal to "QRL?"

[Jim Neiger]

Exactly.  Since the average contest QSO takes about 10 seconds, are we 
suggesting that no one can take 10 to 20 seconds to simply determine  if the 
frequency is occupado by LISTENING??  duh.

Jim  N6TJ


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Beckwith" <n5ot at n5ot.com>
To: <CQ-Contest at contesting.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] "?" not equal to "QRL?"


> Silly me, I guess I made the assumption that one should only inquire if 
> the frequency is in use if they have first determined that it is void of 
> signals.  I am pretty sure that most people who send "?" on my CQ 
> frequency while I'm in mid-QSO with a weak one haven't listened well 
> enough yet, and are in too big of a hurry.
>
> Also, there's a lot to be said for the old prosign "didit dit" which is 
> shorter even than a question mark, and which does mean "is this frequency 
> in use?"
>
> Finally I agree with Jim that even after you think it's clear and you 
> actually get out a CQ before you get told the frequency is in use, you 
> ought to give it up and move on in a gentlemanly fashion.
>
> Mark, N5OT
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Jimk8mr at aol.com
>  To: n5ot at n5ot.com ; CQ-Contest at contesting.com
>  Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 9:32 PM
>  Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] "?" not equal to "QRL?"
>
>
>  In a message dated 8/9/2006 10:12:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
> n5ot at n5ot.com writes:
>
>    "Di-di-dah-dah-di-dit" does not mean "is the frequency in use?"  Using 
> it
>    as such is bad form.  MHO.
>
>
>
>
>  MHO disagrees.
>
>  The "?" has a dual meaning, as heard by a guy who really is using a 
> frequency.
>
>  Not only does it mean "if you don't tell me otherwise I'm going to start 
> calling CQ here in about a second", it also means "who was that who was 
> just calling here, whose call I did not get".
>
>  So you hear a possible open frequency, send "?", and a guy who has been 
> there and had let 3 seconds pass between a CQ can just dump in his call, 
> both showing that the frequency is in use and inviting you to work him 
> before you move on.
>
>  Or if he was quiet because he was digging out a weak one, "?" clobbers 
> the weak one a lot less than "QRL".
>
>  Send "QRL" and the guy who has been there has his blood pressure go up a 
> dozen points as he goes into frequency defend mode. And he probably won't 
> send just his call, and you won't get to get a qso if you haven't worked 
> him yet.
>
>
>
>  All that said, I disagree that a failure to elicit a response to a "?" or 
> "QRL" constitutes a grant of a frequency.  Call a quick CQ, and if a guy 
> comes on telling you "QRL QSY", do so.
>
>  After an uncontested CQ or two, then you have a pretty good claim to the 
> frequency.
>
>
>  73  -  Jim  K8MR
>
>
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