[CQ-Contest] a little more fairness?

Thu Dec 9 12:15:17 PST 2010

Sorry, just could not resist not to interfere and share my own experience.

Having operated from Europe and N. America, I was truly amazed how the 
propagation looks like in the Zone 24, particularily I mean Shanghai, China, 
located at a close proximity to the zones 22, 26, 27 28 discussed here. I 
did not operate from there because it took some time to get the Chinese 
foreign operator's license. Finally I got the ticket but my stay in China 
turn to be over then. Anyway, I had a small receiver with the "SSB facility" 
so that I could SWL a bit.

I watched CQ WW SSB and 2009, as well as some other contests and just 
non-contest activity.
My observations were amazing.
- While there is not a beep on 15m at my QTH in Canada, both 15 and 10 m are 
widely open.
- 40-20-15 m are perfectly open to Europe, the Far East and West Coast NA 
for several hours. 40 m is open virtually 24/7. 10 m was fine for the Far 
East/Japan, Pacific and West Coast.
- Pacific stations are there with almost equal signals on any bands, 10 to 
80 m. A KH2 was a perfect example (59+++ 10 through 80 m) in the CQ WW.
- ZM4A (I think, that was the call) was there like a beacon everywhere 40 m 
and up being the strongest on most of bands, though not as strong on 80.
- I could watch a XX9 station running JA's on 10 m for hours and days 
non-stop. It even made me curious whether the commonly-accepted idea that 
the JA guys disappear by end of contests because they have to go to work is 
just a myth.

Sorry, gents, but I am completely sure that even a modest station in the 
area can easily provide a blilliant result without any change is the 
existing points' system.

73,
Vladimir VE3IAE

---

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charles Harpole" <k4vud at hotmail.com>
To: <sm6lrr at gmail.com>; "Florida ContestGroup" <fcg at kkn.net>; "Contest 
Internet" <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] a little more fairness?

>
> Ok, and good arguement Mats....  BUT, if an overall win is not important, 
> then why is that what is the big news in the magazines and score reports? 
> IF contests are all about personal best scores, about local wins, and 
> about who in what country scored highest, then why is there total stress 
> on THE TOP TEN OR TOP TWENTY?
>
> When the magazines and sites start to forground and highlight personal 
> best scores, local wins, and who in what geographical area scored high, 
> THEN I will agree with your statements.  American contests are for 
> Americans, of course, but the sponsors of contests can infuse more 
> satisfaction for ALL participants by getting off the idea of TOP SCORERS 
> overall.
>
> de HS0ZCW
>
> Charles Harpole k4vud at hotmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 09:56:56 +0300
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] a little more fairness?
> From: sm6lrr at gmail.com
> To: vk4ti at yahoo.com
> CC: cq-contest at contesting.com; k4vud at hotmail.com
>
>
> If we start to change points for different zones, this will create a huge 
> mess. See CQWW as a contest where you first of all challenge your own 
> previous results by building better antennas, increasing your own 
> operating skills, learning to adapt to different conditions on different 
> bands, search more efficiently for multipliers etc etc. When you think you 
> have improved your own skills enough, start comparing with your neighbours 
> in the same city, country, zone, continent... If you really want to win 
> the CQWW contest, you need to also analyze which geographical location is 
> the ideal. The globe is as it is...  I know for sure, regardless of 
> antennas and skills, to win SOAB from Sweden or from Moscow will be 
> impossible. BUT, there are always national records in different categories 
> to aim for.
>
> Enjoy contesting, develop your station and your skills - and most of all, 
> realize that we will never be able to achieve WRTC 2010 equal conditions 
> for all contesters in CQWW ;) Have fun! Contesting is exciting, but not 
> the most deadly serious in life...
>
> 73 de R3/SM6LRR, Mats
>
>
>
> 2010/12/7 <vk4ti at yahoo.com>
>
> Charles for years the contesting community down under has said we cant 
> compete with the Hawaiians for Oceania -
> Recently from the antipodes the ZL8X team did just that - competed and 
> broke the Oceania MM record - why ? They had very good ops, a good 
> location and even better antenna.
> There are only a handful of good stations in Oceania - I am one of the 
> guys that put together the VK4KW team and we have done heaps of work to 
> get results and are on constant improvement - there has been two years 
> steady improvement and at least another two years before we hit our 
> straps..
> The scores from 9M6AAC over the years say to me that your neck of the 
> woods is fine - you just need to make a station that works - just like 
> everyone else does..
> Start with beverages on 160 70 and 40 and work from there - I am sure you 
> will be happy with the results
>
>
> --- On Mon, 6/12/10, Charles Harpole <k4vud at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Charles Harpole <k4vud at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [CQ-Contest] a little more fairness?
> To: "Contest Internet" <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Received: Monday, 6 December, 2010, 10:34 PM
>
>
> A modest proposal....  Could the contesting community consider cutting 
> some slack to a neglected part of the contesting world, specifically CQ 
> Zones 22, 26, 27 and 28, South Asia area.  I suggest doubling the point 
> count for working stations in this area from outside the zones.
>
> The reason is that (1) most beams are from NA to EU or the reverse or are 
> on JA (these headings are a long way from S. Asia usually), (2) many very 
> high power stations clustered in EU tend to drown out S. Asia to all in 
> EU, (3) the start time of 0000Z gives very poor first hours to S. Asia 
> stations due to prop at those hours, and (5) there are just not as many 
> one-hop stations to work within these and near-by zones and (5) not many 
> stations in S. Asia do contests partly due to what is listed here.
>
> The playing field is just not flat, not nearly, and looks more like a 
> mountain between S. Asia and the large collections of contesters in EU and 
> NA.  So, I ask this be considered because it will also liven up contests 
> and add more challenges.  I will certainly encourage S. Asia stations to 
> participate more and longer.
>
> 73, Thanks, HS0ZCW
>
> Charles Harpole
>
> k4vud at hotmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> CQ-Contest mailing list
> CQ-Contest at contesting.com
> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> CQ-Contest mailing list
> CQ-Contest at contesting.com
> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> CQ-Contest mailing list
> CQ-Contest at contesting.com
> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest 