[CQ-Contest] NAQP CW + Skimmer

[Tod Olson]

I agree. A simple to write rule too.

Tod, K0TO

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-----Original message-----
From: Vladimir Sidorov <vs_otw at rogers.com>
To: Aldewey at aol.com, cq-contest at contesting.com
Sent: Thu, Dec 23, 2010 20:58:48 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] NAQP CW + Skimmer

Al,

Sorry not to follow your request literarily and let me suggest right in the 
list.

CW is a mode based the a human ability to decode CW by ear. Therefore any CW  

contest deserves to have a respective entry.

>From my point of view SO entries should be divided into:
1. Operators conductiong QSOs and gaining information by means of decoding 
CW by ear, only.
2. All others.

It cannot be simplier and clearer.

73,
Vladimir VE3IAE

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Aldewey at aol.com>
To: <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] NAQP CW + Skimmer


> The intent of the current rule is that multi-channel band decoders , such
> as CW Skimmer, are allowed as long as they do NOT connect to any external
> source.  For example, you are not allowed to connect to a TELNET address 
> the
> publishes spots from Remote Skimmers.
>
> However, if the multi-channel band decoder is totally contained within the
> station, it is allowed.
>
> If someone can suggest a way to state that more simply, in one to two
> sentences without a lot of legalize, please respond off the reflector.
>
> 73,
>
> Al, K0AD
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 12/23/2010 11:58:19 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> K1TTT at ARRL.NET writes:
>
>>  Although NCJ does not have an official "Contest Committee", issues
> related
>> to the NCJ contests are discussed among all the NCJ contest  managers.
>> Often, input is solicited from others also. Final decisions  rest with 
>> the
>> Contest Manager for each of the 6 contests we  sponsor.  For the Sprints,
>> it  was
>> obvious that the  allowing the use of multi-channel band decoders made no
>> sense because  of the QSY rule.  It really came down to being an issue 
>> for
>> the  CW NAQP.  We decided to allow it in the Single Operator Class as
> long
>> as
>> there was no connection via the internet or any other  outside source.
> In
>> 2009, the NAQP rule was changed to  state:
>
> So you DO intend to allow wide band decoding and generating of  spotting
> information by CW Skimmer and Skimmer Server??
>
> "Access to spotting information obtained directly or indirectly from  any
> source other than the station operator, such as from other stations  or
> automated tools, is prohibited,"
>
> since CW Skimmer in its wideband  decoding mode automatically generates
> 'spotting information' I would  consider this first statement to exclude
> that
> use of the CW Skimmer or  Skimmer Server software.
>
> "except as follows: Technological methods of  copying information in the
> contest exchange (e.g. CW Skimmer, code readers,  etc.) are permitted as
> long
> as all components are entirely contained within  the station."
>
> Since this qualifies use of technology as being for  'copying information 
> in
> the contest exchange' I consider this, in the CW  Skimmer usage, to be the
> narrow band audio only decoding of a single qso at  a time.  This is
> reinforced by lumping it in with 'code readers' which  in general do not
> generate spotting information and only allow copying a  single audio 
> stream
> at a time.
>
> Perhaps the lack of complaint was  because participants took the more
> conservative reading and assumed that NO  sources of spotting information
> were allowed, which included the wide band  decoding and spotting modes of
> the CW Skimmer.
>
> David Robbins  K1TTT
> e-mail: mailto:k1ttt at arrl.net
> web:  http://www.k1ttt.net
> AR-Cluster node: 145.69MHz or  telnet://dxc.k1ttt.net
>
>
>
>
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