[CQ-Contest] Determining ASSISTED vs NON-ASSISTED -- was: =>RE:Chea

[W0MU Mike Fatchett]

So when people have opinions that differ from your own it is considered 
complaining?  I believe you made a number of comments that everything 
needs to be done in the contest period which ends at 2359:59.  Now you 
seemed to have changed your stance.  It is perfectly acceptable  for 
people to have differing opinions and the discussions following are 
called a debate.  If you really cared about other contesters thoughts 
about the subject you would not use derogatory comments such as complaining.

Are you a part of the problem or a part of the solution?

W0MU-Mike

J6/W0MU November 21 - December 1 2011 CQ WW DX CW
W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net


On 10/1/2011 3:50 PM, Bob Naumann wrote:
> I'm not sure what is causing all of this, but none of what W0MU or W8JI are
> complaining about was in any of what I said originally.
>
> I made no comment whatsoever about notes or using them to fix things - which
> by the way, I have no problem with and to me, they are part of prudent
> operating.
>
> So, you guys can all relax. Go work some Pacific DXpeditions instead. T32C
> and 3D2R are very active.
>
> 73,
>
> Bob W5OV
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com
> [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Tom W8JI
> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 5:45 PM
> To: Bill Coleman; Mike Fatchett W0MU
> Cc: cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Determining ASSISTED vs NON-ASSISTED -- was:
> =>RE:Chea
>
> I think the goal should be to enjoy making things as difficult and
> complicated as we possibly can, and making sure the fewest number of people
> possible have a good time or any fun.
>
> Why should anyone be allowed to make a note when they make an entry mistake,
>
> or operate if anything is messing up that would require notes? What we
> should do is have logging programs that are uneditable, and require a key or
>
> password  from someone in authority to change, or the whole entry is tossed.
>
> That stops the whole problem.
>
>
>> On Sep 28, 2011, at 6:14 PM, Mike Fatchett W0MU wrote:
>>> Bob,
>>> I think this is a big stretch.  The contest period to me is the period
>>> of time where valid contacts can be made.
>>> What you are suggesting is at the end of the contest much like the Iowa
>>> Tests of Basic Skills put your pencil down and you are done.  At the end
>>> of the contest all loggers will lock down the log and you can't change
>>> it.  I don't think this is the intent of CQ or ARRL.  We all make
>>> mistakes in the heat of battle.  Most believe that obvious errors or
>>> notes can be addressed after the contest period has ended.
>> It's not unusual for me to run into situations in a contest where I note
>> something that needs to be fixed. Like in NAQP where I obviously logged
>> someone's name incorrectly on another band, or have someone who gives me
>> enough duplicate contact information so I can fix his callsign in the
>> previous QSO.
>>
>> I don't always have time right at that moment to fix the log entry. I keep
>> a pad of paper handy to write things down. If I have time during the
>> contest, I'll follow the note and make the fixes. However, if the contest
>> is going really well, I won't have time to execute my note until after the
>> contest.
>>
>> I don't consider this "cheating" in any way. I'm using the information
>> gathered during the contest to fix my log.
>>
>> Back in the old days of paper logs, it wasn't unusual for people to
>> re-write their logs before submission. In the course of that process,
>> innumerable  little issues would be fixed. Certainly a note such as the
>> ones mentioned above would be followed.
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