[CQ-Contest] [FCG] CQ WW Rules and SCP

kd4d at comcast.net kd4d at comcast.net
Mon Jun 17 22:47:47 EDT 2013

But, the rule says...
2. All sent and received exchanges are to be logged. In addition to the number exchange, the call sign sent by an entrant during a completed exchange, must be logged as sent by the entrant. All QSO exchanges must be logged upon QSO completion.

Calls MUST be logged as sent.  This doesn't say ANYTHING about information transmitted over the air.  Wouldn't apply to S&P unless you sent the other station's callsign for some reason.  The verbiage about exchanges is ambiguous.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Haavisto" <kamham69 at gmail.com>
To: "Richard F DiDonna NN3W" <richnn3w at verizon.net>
Cc: cq-contest at contesting.com
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 9:15:45 PM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] [FCG] CQ WW Rules and SCP

My understanding is the examples you are using are fine to correct the
log, since it is based on information *transmitted over the air*.
What is not OK is to use external data (not passed over the air during
the contest) to correct your log.

So - if you make a note during the contest (information passed over
the air), its fine as a data source.  Any other data source is not OK.

Tom - VE3CX

On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Richard F DiDonna NN3W
<richnn3w at verizon.net> wrote:
> I'm having a slight issue with one thing you've written Bob.  You wrote that
> it is "not OK to go back and correct this after the fact."  This seems at
> odds with what I have heard stations say for years: namely that if you make
> a change during the contest in in the minutes immediately after the contest,
> its OK.  Indeed, in WRTC, you're allowed 30 minutes to make corrections and
> to enter in any notes that you made during the contest.
> Two examples come to mind:
> in CQWW, you work HG108DX on one band but you entered the call into your log
> as HG109DX.  You work him three hours later on a different band yet your
> worked call history shows you have never worked HG108DX, but you KNOW you
> worked him.  A quick scan of partials indicates you purportedly worked
> HG109DX, but you know now this to be wrong.  My understanding is that you've
> always been able to make this correction during  the contest.
> In ARRL DX (from the W/VE side), you work GW4BLE and you enter 59 100 as his
> power.  Three hours later, you work GW4BLE and you clearly hear him say 59
> 400 which conflicts with what you think he said earlier.  A verbal
> confirmation that 59 400 is correct and has been correct leads you to change
> what you entered in the first QSO.  Again, my understanding is that you've
> always been able to make this correction during the contest.
> 73 Rich NN3W
> On 6/17/2013 1:32 PM, w5ov at w5ov.com wrote:
>> I am curious how these scenarios are being read into rules that say
>> nothing about correcting typos or using SCP?
>> "Check Partial" or "Super Check Partial" doesn't ever "log" anything. The
>> operator chooses a suggested callsign and then *HE* logs that, but it is
>> not CP or SCP doing the logging.
>> The rule is strictly on using *outside* means of analyzing and correcting
>> your log. If *you* figure out that *you* made a typo, that's not what this
>> rule is talking about - is it?
>> Even so, the rest of the pertinent section says:
>>       VIII.9 All logging must be performed in real time.
>>       VIII.10. Call signs logged must be the same as those exchanged
>>                over the air by the entrants during the QSO.
>> Q: How does that affect the above?
>> A: Let's say that you log and work K1ABZ during the contest. Later, you
>> somehow realize you should misheard his callsign and it should have been
>> K1ABC.  In this scenario, you said "K1ABZ" (Alpha Bravo Zulu) on the air
>> and logged K1ABZ. It is not OK to go back and correct this after the fact.
>> You made an error - clearly. Fixing it after the fact does not undo the
>> error - does it?
>> One thing that is quite different is that with the advent of SDR, the
>> committee can hear virtually every qso that takes place.
>> W5OV
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