[CQ-Contest] Automation = lost essential skills

[ve4xt at mymts.net]

I remember the lengthy discussion, and IIRC, there was no consensus: namely, that the inclusion of a sample wasn't necessarily an indication that the rules demanded it. 

However, I like the use of the example and it kinda throws me when an op omits his call (having already sent it), but I do not know of any operators who receive any kind of sanction for same.

73, Kelly
ve4xt

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> On Nov 21, 2013, at 12:12, "David Siddall" <hhamwv at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Kelly,
> 
> You are right in my book too.  But one exception is sweepstakes.  I don't
> know the rationale, but some years ago the ARRL contest manager ruled that
> in sweepstakes only discrete complete exchanges are allowed.  This extra
> requirement doesn't seem to appear explicitly in the current rules (at
> least that I can find), but I remember a lengthy thread on the subject on
> this reflector.
> 
> Example 1:  NOT PERMITTED even though all required exchange information
> transmitted & received.
> 
> VE4XT:  CQ CQ SS de VE4XT
> K3ZJ:     K3ZJ
> VE4XT:   K3ZJ 145 A 66 MB
> 
> Example 2: Required exchange necessitates repeating call.
> 
> VE4XT:  CQ CQ SS de VE4XT
> K3ZJ:     K3ZJ
> VE4XT:   K3ZJ 145 A VE4XT 66 MB
> 
> 73, Dave K3ZJ
> 
> *-.-. --.-*
> 
> *ve4xt at mymts.net <http://mymts.net>* ve4xt at mymts.net
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> *Wed Nov 20 22:27:59 EST 2013*
> 
> That depends. If the receiving station heard the callsign, then the
> callsign was sent, even if people who came late to the frequency
> didn't hear it.
> 
> An example:
> 
> qrz, w1xyz
> (vy2zm and g3tuc are now listening and know who is on frequency.
> (IOW, they've heard w1xyz send his call))
> vy2zm
> vy2zm 599 05
> 599 05
> tu
> g3tuc
> g3tuc 599 05
> 599 14
> tu
> k1zz
> k1zz 599 05
> CL?
> w1xyz
> r w1xyz 599 05
> 
> In my book, all three QSOs are legit. Everybody received w1xyz's call.
> 
> Am I right?
> 
> 73, Kelly
> ve4xt
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