[CQ-Contest] CQ WW SSB
JIM NEIGER
n6tj at sbcglobal.net
Sat Oct 18 20:09:56 EDT 2014
Perhaps it could be as I encountered in my four DXpeditions to Canton
Island in 1971-72.
I operated from Canton Island (now Kirabati - Tango 31, I believe).
Canton, (and its larger island group - the Phoenix Islands) was CLAIMED by
both the U.S.A and U.K. I held two licenses - KB6DA for the USA and VRIW
for the British claim. I operated both calls from the same shack, same
radio etc - and both were recognized by the ARRL (DXCC) and CQ WW. (Try
simultaneously running two pileups, two logbooks from the same shack - each
pileup looking for a different DXCC !!)
For the 1971 CQ WW CW, I chose my primary country to be British Phoenix and
signed VR1W. But, I also made about fifty contest QSO from American Phoenix
(KB6DA) which the CQ Contest Director W1WY wrote in the CQ CW results "that
me taking the time to go over to this different island, probably cost me No.
1 world". I apologize to those who might not know U.S. New York Yankees
baseball - but as Casey Stengal might say "you can look it up".
So let the populace of Crimea use their Ukranian license ( and call) and
have CQ WW count it - OR use their Russian license and call, and send it in
as a check log?? Or make a brief CQ WW QSY to another DXCC for the weekend
so that their preparations are not for naught??
For me, now, I will choose to operate from slightly more stable entities
this month and next. Please listen for me next weekend from KH6LC on the
Big Island (stable as Hurricane Ana and the nearby Kilauea Volcano may
allow) and next month from 9Y4W - always sunny and beautiful Tobago - for CQ
CW.
Vy 73
Jim Neiger N6TJ (Still crazy after all these years and so happy to still
be around to participate in such a wonderful hobby and contest)
-----Original Message-----
From: Herbert Schoenbohm
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 2:16 PM
To: cq-contest at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] CQ WW SSB
There are many examples of how a unilateral claim does not a country
make. Haiti claims Navassa KP1 as its own territory, Dominica has
claimed Aves Island YV0 as its own, and what a mess we have now in the
South China Sea. Tromelin is claimed by three countries and the Caprivi
Strip by four. Geyser Reef is claimed by three countries and the list
goes on and on especially in border regions. The problem with contest
groups start to needlessly weigh in favor of one country over another.
Alexander Pope said it best in 1709 when he wrote "Fools rush in where
angels fear to tread."
Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ
On 10/18/2014 1:39 PM, Martin Monsalvo wrote:
> Certainly CQ cannot make Crimea Ukraine, becase it ALREADY is Ukraine!
> Only Russia claims Crimea as part of its own territory.
> I'm glad CQ doesn't endorse that position.
> It is fully alligned with what the international community thinks about
> this terrible situation.
> You guys seem to be asking CQ to support Russia's illegal occupation of
> Ukraine, why should CQ do that?
>
> 73,
> Martin, LU5DX
> El 18/10/2014 13:56, "Andy Melanin" <ua3dpx at mail.ru> escribió:
>
>> Martin You did not catch the sense, they are Russian citizens now, they
>> have Russian passports, they have Russian calls and they can not use
>> Ukranian calls any more. You think that the CQ can make Crimea Ukrain? I
>> think NO!
>> 73! Andy UA3DPX/RM3F
>>
>> Отправлено с iPad
>>
>> 18 окт. 2014 г., в 20:34, Martin Monsalvo <monsalvo at gmail.com>
>> написал(а):
>>
>> A Ukrainian, not pro-russian, can use his valid Ukrainian callsign in
>> Crimea?
>> The referendum has no validity whatsoever.
>> It is like saying all CP inmigrants with a valid LU Id can vote in a
>> referendum to make Buenos Aires part of CP!
>> That is not how things go.
>> 73,
>> Martin
>> El 18/10/2014 13:08, "Andy Melanin" <ua3dpx at mail.ru> escribió:
>>
>>> Martin, who told You that they were forced to sign Russian calls? They
>>> decided to be Russian citizens themselves :-))
>>>
>>> Отправлено с iPad
>>>
>>>> 18 окт. 2014 г., в 8:09, Martin Monsalvo <monsalvo at gmail.com>
>>> написал(а):
>>>> With all due respect and with all the appreciation I feel towards long
>>> term
>>>> friends in both Russia and Ukraine.
>>>> Crimea is not part of Russia, despite the fact that it is being
>>> illegally
>>>> annexed to it.
>>>> The international community as a whole has pronounced in favor of
>>>> Ukraine soverignity which certainly includes Crimea. Why should CQ
>>>> pronounce otherwise?
>>>> Accepting operations from Crimea with russian calls ipso facto does not
>>>> contribute to contesting nor to amateur radio at all. It would only be
>>>> a
>>>> sign that our hobby doesn't care about International Law and the
>>>> Independence of Nations.
>>>> I feel for those Ukrainian stations in Crimea that are being forced to
>>> sign
>>>> russian callsigns, but this is way above contesting and cannot be
>>>> acccepted, since it is the outcome of illegal actions that no one, but
>>>> Russia government endorses.
>>>>
>>>> Vy 73,
>>>> Martin, LU5DX
>>>> El 17/10/2014 21:58, "Andy Kazantsev" <uu0jm at bk.ru> escribió:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi, Edward.
>>>>>
>>>>> Вы писали 18 октября 2014 г., 0:39:53:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Andy, Personally, I am sorry for your situation. And sorry that you
>>> are
>>>>>> harmed right now. Is it not possible for you to operate using the
>>>>> Ukrainian
>>>>>> callsign? I think that I would have worded the CQ announcement
>>>>> differently
>>>>>> but came to the same conclusion. I believe my statement would be that
>>> CQ
>>>>>> follows the DXCC and WAE country rules and also requires that a
>>> station
>>>>>> identify themselves with the DXCC/WAE country that they are in. The
>>> DXCC
>>>>>> follows the US State Dept recognized county or territory list which I
>>>>> have
>>>>>> to assume still calls that location Ukraine. So if you signed from
>>>>> Ukraine,
>>>>>> I don't see there being a problem. I am assuming that WAE has no
>>>>> separate
>>>>>> country status for Crimea.
>>>>> I currently live in Russia. And shall comply with the laws of Russia.
>>>>> According to these laws, I got a call UB7K and worked in several
>>>>> contests, including the CQ WW RTTY (4 place World, raw scores).
>>>>> Also we work CQ WPX CW 2014(UA7K) and WAE CW and SSB 2014.
>>>>> If I'm going to continue to work, only this callsign. It is my firm
>>> belief.
>>>>> I'm not asking for a separate territory of Crimea! Why mix radio with
>>>>> politics?
>>>>> This message sponsors CQ caused a storm of dissent among contesters in
>>>>> Crimea. Many are ready for these competitions. And then a week before
>>> the
>>>>> competition,
>>>>> we know that all of our training in vain.
>>>>> It is very sad and does not honor the CQ magazine and event
>>> organizers.
>>>>> Nevertheless it I will work in this competition, because I compete
>>>>> primarily with each other.
>>>>> Last year, I set a record 16 zone and was going to beat this year it.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73! Andy UB7K
>>>>> ex. UU0JM, UU7J , K1I (WRTC 2014)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> 73
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ed N1UR
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>>>>> --
>>>>> С уважением,
>>>>> Andy mailto:uu0jm at bk.ru
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
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