[CQ-Contest] Convergence and Change

Mark Bailey kd4d at comcast.net
Thu May 26 18:40:56 EDT 2016

Hi Yuri:

Yes, that is part of the issue - the station to station communication part.

It does not, however, take into account the operator skill and fun involved in finding stations to work - in fact, a robot could compete under  your proposed rule in single operator categories.  I strongly believe that technology that replaces this operator skill or acts as an operator belongs in the Unlimited categories.

The change you propose would be a a major change from the current CQ WW and ARRL rules and I do not believe the proposed change would be good for our sport.


Mark,  KD4D

On May 26, 2016 5:51:28 PM EDT, Yuri Blanarovich <k3bu at optimum.net> wrote:
>Sooo, your car is the "assistant", so is washing machine, telephone, 
>computer, software, pencil, keyer?
>Aren't we looking for definition who is assisting by gathering
>outside you and your shack???
> Another PERSON or Gadget outside your station?
>There is difference if you use your station and gadgets for operating -
>FINDING Call/Freq vs. SOMEONE ELSE via whatever.
>I hope you realize that is harder to run skimmer at your own QTH with 
>constant CQing, vs. streaming river of calls from world-wide skimmers, 
>spotters, feeders.
>The big question is who is doing the hunting, you, me, or bunch of
>assistant hunters holding the bear for you. Your gun, rifle, cannon, 
>binoculars are your tools, not some assistant feeding you dead bears.
>73 Yuri, K3BU.us
> On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 01:55 PM, Mark Bailey wrote:
> > Hi Yuri:
>> You are proposing a significant rule change.  Some of us believe that
>> software within the station, providing the same information as the 
>> packet cluster (other operators and/or remote software) should 
>> continue to be excluded in single operator categories.
>> 73,
>> Mark, KD4D
>> On May 26, 2016 11:38:27 AM EDT, Yuri Blanarovich  wrote:
>>> Why is it so hard to accept and use sensible definitions of SO and 
>>> SOA?
>>> SO - Single Operator - station operated by single, one, operator
>>> without "ASSISTANCE" by SOMEONE ELSE via any means - be in the
>>> over internet, phone, ESP, whatever....
>>> That means NOT someone/something else outside of own shack 
>>> is gathering
>>> info on call, frequency, etc. and communicating to Single Operator. 
>>> Technology in one's own shack is OK, own Skimmer at the QTH is OK. 
>>> Remote, outside of own QTH "suppliers of call/freq", persons or 
>>> gadgets
>>> are assistance by someone else - NOT OK!
>>> SAO - Single Operator Assisted - station operated by single, one, 
>>> operator with ASSISTANCE by Someone/Something Else outside of own
>>> shack, via any means, providing Call/Frequency info.
>>> Normal people, SO, would do hunting on their own, with own rifle, 
>>> find the bear and "nail" him. Feels good!
>>> "Assisted" people SAO would have army of hunters, finding the bear,
>>> kill him and then yell: "come, here is the bear, kill him!" Click, 
>>> gotcha!
>>> But Hams have a problem figuring what the ASSISTANCE is. Huge 
>>> discussions about - is the pencil, keyer, computer, etc. assistant?
>>> Personally, I would like to see the "assistance" by Internet go away
>>> or
>>> be restricted to use. Just like DXing was ruined by nets, list, 
>>> contesting is being poisoned by Internet spoon feeding Call/Freq. 
>>> Instead of preserving pure hunting aspect, we get crazy pileups, 
>>> frequency hogging, unsportsman like behavior, hunting dead bears.
>>> Don't get me started on "rentastations" - hey, its me, in someone
>>> else's skin!
>>> Have fun, whatever is left of it!
>>> 73 Yuri, K3BU.us
>>> www.MVmanor.com
>>> da place for conventions, weddings, concerts,...
>>>  On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 10:27 PM, Jack Haverty wrote:
>>>> So, I'd like to see a split of assisted versus unassisted based on 
>>>> those observations, with the following basic definitions:
>>>> Unassisted - a station using technology, of any kind, to
>>>> using only ham radio waves.  All communication across the station 
>>>> boundary (building, 100-meter circle, whatever) must be performed 
>>>> using ham radio.  Within the station boundary, other forms of 
>>>> communication may be used.
>>>> Assisted - a station using technology, of any kind, to communicate
>>> not
>>>> only using radio waves, but also using other forms of
>>>> across the station boundary for whatever purpose the operator 
>>>> wishes.
>>>> All contact exchanges (whatever that means) must however be 
>>>> accomplished only by ham radio communications.
>>>> In other words, Unassisted means you use only ham radio; assisted 
>>>> means you may use other forms of communications as well.
>>>> 73,
>>>> /Jack de K3FIV
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