[CQ-Contest] ARRL to allow self-spotting in contests
Alan Higbie
alan.higbie at gmail.com
Thu Feb 17 18:55:42 EST 2022
OK - I guess the self-spotting advantage just applies to phone operations .
. .
On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 4:51 PM Alan Higbie <alan.higbie at gmail.com> wrote:
> Will those stations permitted to self-spot start using automatic posting
> applications? How often would they post?
>
> Will the Reverse Beacon Network be able to handle the additional spots?
>
> Will the RBN devise a filter to reduce the self-spotting traffic? Would
> such filtering be considered ‘unfair’ to the self-spotters?
>
> And, what is the point of spotting yourself if you haven’t been heard and
> spotted by any of the multitude of skimmer linked to the system? If none of
> those have received your signal - what advantage is there to posting
> yourself?
>
> ~ Alan K0AV
>
> On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 4:26 PM wa1fcn <wa1fcn at charter.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> GA Sterling
>>
>> I'm confused what do you mean " Traditional " ham radio
>> contesting is going nowhere
>>
>> anytime soon " ? Can you explain ?
>>
>> BoB WA1FCN
>>
>> On 2/17/2022 9:18 AM, Sterling Mann wrote:
>> > I could see that being a hackathon now, and a competitive computing
>> contest
>> > in the 2030s, but by the time that's really a thing, I don't think many
>> on
>> > this list will mind.
>> >
>> > "Traditional" ham radio contesting is going nowhere anytime soon, but
>> it's
>> > also getting us nowhere if we don't evolve.
>> >
>> > -Sterling
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 7:14 PM Doug Renwick<ve5ra at sasktel.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Yes let's take another step further.
>> >>
>> >> The contest station will be operator free. An AI computer will be
>> reading
>> >> and transmitting the contacts, turning the antennas, selecting the
>> >> frequency, even turning the power on at beginning and off at the end.
>> So
>> >> you
>> >> know where this rule change is heading.
>> >>
>> >> Doug
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: CQ-Contest
>> >> [mailto:cq-contest-bounces+ve5ra=sasktel.net at contesting.com] On
>> Behalf Of
>> >> Sterling Mann
>> >> Sent: February-16-22 3:43 PM
>> >> To:CQ-Contest at contesting.com
>> >> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] ARRL to allow self-spotting in contests
>> >>
>> >> Let's take it a step further...
>> >>
>> >> * epic sports intro music plays *
>> >>
>> >> And we are live at the K3LR super station, here on ESPN FiveNine - Your
>> >> HOME for RadioSport, where everybody is Five and Nine. We're just
>> minutes
>> >> away from kicking off 2032's Worldwide DX Slam, and we already have 9 -
>> >> countem, NINE - ops on frequency already warming up the bands. I think
>> we
>> >> got a big game ahead, last year's rival is putting up a bigger fight -
>> K9CT
>> >> just put up 3 new towers on their farm, but their ops are sitting
>> pretty
>> >> from the comfort of their laz-e-boys and couches tied in over
>> Starlink, so
>> >> it's the perfect storm, butting the Butts in Chairs with the Work from
>> >> Homers against each other. Tim, what are we gonna be seeing today?
>> >>
>> >> Well Fred, this is a young crop of contesters, so you'll be they'll be
>> up
>> >> all night working well into Japan and Australia on 160m with that new
>> >> OctaVert they've been playin with, and just checked last night, looks
>> like
>> >> we got 37,000 VK and JA listed on the regs tonight so it'll be like
>> >> shooting fish in a barrel in the graveyard shift assuming they can keep
>> >> their rates up and their frequencies busy. That'll be really key,
>> coming
>> >> into the sunspot minimums, as the high bands just aren't going to keep
>> it
>> >> up despite HAARP-II cooking the ionosphere last week for the
>> >> Lets-Make-10m-work-again contest. Man you could feel the heat, and you
>> can
>> >> feel it here too. We also expect big things out of the rookie, Maci
>> >> Maxwell. She has just been blowing up the scoreboards on nightly
>> sprints
>> >> but now she's eating at the big kids table, so pressure's on but I
>> think
>> >> she's got it in the bag - we'll really see her shine on the greyline.
>> And
>> >> can't forget about that wild metamaterial iono-georesonant phased
>> array at
>> >> 4O3A causing a storm in the radiosport meta, that is going to be a
>> thorn in
>> >> everyone's side. Definitely going to be a big thing to keep an eye on
>> in
>> >> the top five, and certainly be a hard battle for first place
>> unlimited, but
>> >> you will see it here on ESPN FiveNine. Back to you Fred.
>> >>
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>> >>
>> >> ***
>> >>
>> >> I long for the day that RadioSportscaster is an actual job, but I think
>> >> we've got a long way to go :-P
>> >>
>> >> -Sterling N0SSC
>> >>
>> >> Hi Randy:
>> >>> Allowing self-spotting might not have had much of an impact. Allowing
>> >> chat rooms and other non-amateur radio platforms will have a huge
>> impact.
>> >> Competitive assisted single operators and Multi-ops will have social
>> media
>> >> coordinators. Unless a very carefully crafted rule is written, Single
>> >> Operator Assisted operators can have additional people helping with
>> social
>> >> media.
>> >>> Live streaming offers the ability to confirm QSOs in real-time. The
>> >> video/audio feeds will quickly be augmented by machine-readable data
>> for
>> >> that confirmation - and real-time QSLing! This effectively eliminates
>> the
>> >> rules against confirming QSOs during contests by non-amateur radio
>> means.
>> >>> Many QSOs will now be arranged via social media or dedicated apps. It
>> >> will be interesting to see if stations still need to hold run
>> frequencies
>> >> in
>> >> a few years when the scheduling apps can just access their current
>> >> frequency
>> >> in real-time and it becomes sort of like a sprint. I hope so -
>> otherwise,
>> >> the single operators won't even be able to work the serious
>> >> assisted/multi-op stations.
>> >>> 73,
>> >>>
>> >>> Mark, KD4D
>> >>>
>> >>>> * On 02/16/2022 7:23 AM Randy Thompson <k5zd at outlook.com
>> >> <http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest>> wrote:
>> >>> *> > >* From the ARRL Contest Update today:
>> >>> *> >* "New Rules in effect for all ARRL HF Contests in June
>> >>> *>* Starting with the ARRL International Digital Contest, in all
>> >> categories that allow assistance (Unlimited), the use of online and
>> other
>> >> non-amateur radio platforms including but not limited to social media,
>> live
>> >> video streaming, and internet chat rooms will be allowed. In all
>> Unlimited
>> >> and Multioperator categories, the prohibition of self-spotting, and
>> asking
>> >> another station to spot you, will also be removed."
>> >>> *> >* Wow. It was one thing for the VHF contests to allow use of chat
>> >> rooms and telephone calls, now this is extended to all HF contests. It
>> >> should be interesting to see what unintended consequences result from
>> >> allowing multi-ops and assisted competitors to spot themselves. You
>> could
>> >> spot yourself with every CQ if you wanted to. Or you can call people
>> on the
>> >> phone and ask them to get on the air. Or send out email reminders to
>> work
>> >> you during the contest.
>> >>> *> >* It is likely to have the most impact on SSB to produce spotting
>> >> equal to what the RBN does for CW and RTTY.
>> >>> *> >* For an organization that has always been so timid and
>> conservative
>> >> on rule changes, the ARRL seems to have sprung this one without much
>> >> consultation with the contest community. I assume it is in reaction
>> to the
>> >> W2RE incident several years ago in ARRL DX where he used live
>> streaming on
>> >> Facebook during the contest.
>> >>> *> > >* Randy K5ZD
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