[CQ-Contest] ARRL to allow self-spotting in contests

Fri Feb 18 09:17:46 EST 2022

Hi Alan - We appreciate your concern for the RBN but not to worry.  Our 
network consists of some 200 individual contributors using Aggregator 
software to send their spots to our server, which then makes their spots 
available to "retail" clusters through Telnet.  Self-spots won't get 
into the RBN, but they may challenge the ability of "retail" cluster 
software to filter out duplicate spots.

73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
web server at<http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
For spots, please use your favorite
"retail" DX cluster.

On 2/17/2022 6:51 PM, Alan Higbie wrote:
> Will those stations permitted to self-spot start using automatic posting
> applications?  How often would they post?
>
> Will the Reverse Beacon Network be able to handle the additional spots?
>
> Will the RBN devise a filter to reduce the self-spotting traffic?  Would
> such filtering be considered ‘unfair’ to the self-spotters?
>
> And, what is the point of spotting yourself if you haven’t been heard and
> spotted by any of the multitude of skimmer linked to the system? If none of
> those have received your signal - what advantage is there to posting
> yourself?
>
> ~ Alan K0AV
>
> On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 4:26 PM wa1fcn<wa1fcn at charter.net>  wrote:
>
>> GA Sterling
>>
>>               I'm confused  what do you mean  " Traditional " ham radio
>> contesting is going nowhere
>>
>>           anytime soon "  ?  Can you explain ?
>>
>>               BoB WA1FCN
>>
>> On 2/17/2022 9:18 AM, Sterling Mann wrote:
>>> I could see that being a hackathon now, and a competitive computing
>> contest
>>> in the 2030s, but by the time that's really a thing, I don't think many
>> on
>>> this list will mind.
>>>
>>> "Traditional" ham radio contesting is going nowhere anytime soon, but
>> it's
>>> also getting us nowhere if we don't evolve.
>>>
>>> -Sterling
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 7:14 PM Doug Renwick<ve5ra at sasktel.net>   wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes let's take another step further.
>>>>
>>>> The contest station will be operator free. An AI computer will be
>> reading
>>>> and transmitting the contacts, turning the antennas, selecting the
>>>> frequency, even turning the power on at beginning and off at the end. So
>>>> you
>>>> know where this rule change is heading.
>>>>
>>>> Doug
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: CQ-Contest
>>>> [mailto:cq-contest-bounces+ve5ra=sasktel.net at contesting.com] On Behalf
>> Of
>>>> Sterling Mann
>>>> Sent: February-16-22 3:43 PM
>>>> To:CQ-Contest at contesting.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] ARRL to allow self-spotting in contests
>>>>
>>>> Let's take it a step further...
>>>>
>>>> * epic sports intro music plays *
>>>>
>>>> And we are live at the K3LR super station, here on ESPN FiveNine - Your
>>>> HOME for RadioSport, where everybody is Five and Nine. We're just
>> minutes
>>>> away from kicking off 2032's Worldwide DX Slam, and we already have 9 -
>>>> countem, NINE - ops on frequency already warming up the bands. I think
>> we
>>>> got a big game ahead, last year's rival is putting up a bigger fight -
>> K9CT
>>>> just put up 3 new towers on their farm, but their ops are sitting pretty
>>>> from the comfort of their laz-e-boys and couches tied in over Starlink,
>> so
>>>> it's the perfect storm, butting the Butts in Chairs with the Work from
>>>> Homers against each other. Tim, what are we gonna be seeing today?
>>>>
>>>> Well Fred, this is a young crop of contesters, so you'll be they'll be
>> up
>>>> all night working well into Japan and Australia on 160m with that new
>>>> OctaVert they've been playin with, and just checked last night, looks
>> like
>>>> we got 37,000 VK and JA listed on the regs tonight so it'll be like
>>>> shooting fish in a barrel in the graveyard shift assuming they can keep
>>>> their rates up and their frequencies busy. That'll be really key, coming
>>>> into the sunspot minimums, as the high bands just aren't going to keep
>> it
>>>> up despite HAARP-II cooking the ionosphere last week for the
>>>> Lets-Make-10m-work-again contest. Man you could feel the heat, and you
>> can
>>>> feel it here too. We also expect big things out of the rookie, Maci
>>>> Maxwell. She has just been blowing up the scoreboards on nightly sprints
>>>> but now she's eating at the big kids table, so pressure's on but I think
>>>> she's got it in the bag - we'll really see her shine on the greyline.
>> And
>>>> can't forget about that wild metamaterial iono-georesonant phased array
>> at
>>>> 4O3A causing a storm in the radiosport meta, that is going to be a
>> thorn in
>>>> everyone's side. Definitely going to be a big thing to keep an eye on in
>>>> the top five, and certainly be a hard battle for first place unlimited,
>> but
>>>> you will see it here on ESPN FiveNine. Back to you Fred.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Tim. For those playing at home, it's time to put on those FlexVR
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>> Engineering -
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>>>> scores, hear stations in full 360 audio with the all new NeuralDSP audio
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>>>> spin the dial and spin your beam to always be on top.
>>>>
>>>> ***
>>>>
>>>> I long for the day that RadioSportscaster is an actual job, but I think
>>>> we've got a long way to go :-P
>>>>
>>>> -Sterling N0SSC
>>>>
>>>> Hi Randy:
>>>>> Allowing self-spotting might not have had much of an impact.  Allowing
>>>> chat rooms and other non-amateur radio platforms will have a huge
>> impact.
>>>> Competitive assisted single operators and Multi-ops will have social
>> media
>>>> coordinators.  Unless a very carefully crafted rule is written, Single
>>>> Operator Assisted operators can have additional people helping with
>> social
>>>> media.
>>>>> Live streaming offers the ability to confirm QSOs in real-time.  The
>>>> video/audio feeds will quickly be augmented by machine-readable data for
>>>> that confirmation - and real-time QSLing!  This effectively eliminates
>> the
>>>> rules against confirming QSOs during contests by non-amateur radio
>> means.
>>>>> Many QSOs will now be arranged via social media or dedicated apps.  It
>>>> will be interesting to see if stations still need to hold run
>> frequencies
>>>> in
>>>> a few years when the scheduling apps can just access their current
>>>> frequency
>>>> in real-time and it becomes sort of like a sprint.  I hope so -
>> otherwise,
>>>> the single operators won't even be able to work the serious
>>>> assisted/multi-op stations.
>>>>> 73,
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark, KD4D
>>>>>
>>>>>> * On 02/16/2022 7:23 AM Randy Thompson <k5zd at outlook.com
>>>> <http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest>> wrote:
>>>>> *> >  >* From the ARRL Contest Update today:
>>>>> *> >* "New Rules in effect for all ARRL HF Contests in June
>>>>> *>* Starting with the ARRL International Digital Contest, in all
>>>> categories that allow assistance (Unlimited), the use of online and
>> other
>>>> non-amateur radio platforms including but not limited to social media,
>> live
>>>> video streaming, and internet chat rooms will be allowed. In all
>> Unlimited
>>>> and Multioperator categories, the prohibition of self-spotting, and
>> asking
>>>> another station to spot you, will also be removed."
>>>>> *> >* Wow.  It was one thing for the VHF contests to allow use of chat
>>>> rooms and telephone calls, now this is extended to all HF contests. It
>>>> should be interesting to see what unintended consequences result from
>>>> allowing multi-ops and assisted competitors to spot themselves. You
>> could
>>>> spot yourself with every CQ if you wanted to. Or you can call people on
>> the
>>>> phone and ask them to get on the air. Or send out email reminders to
>> work
>>>> you during the contest.
>>>>> *> >* It is likely to have the most impact on SSB to produce spotting
>>>> equal to what the RBN does for CW and RTTY.
>>>>> *> >* For an organization that has always been so timid and
>> conservative
>>>> on rule changes, the ARRL seems to have sprung this one without much
>>>> consultation with the contest community.  I assume it is in reaction to
>> the
>>>> W2RE incident several years ago in ARRL DX where he used live streaming
>> on
>>>> Facebook during the contest.
>>>>> *> > >* Randy K5ZD
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