[RFI] RFI Digest, Vol 180, Issue 17

Kim Elmore cw_de_n5op at sbcglobal.net
Fri Jan 26 20:44:54 EST 2018


We have a Kenmore Elite refrigerator, made by LG, and purchased about 4 y ago. It is RF quiet. 

Kim N5OP

"People that make music together cannot be enemies, at least as long as the music lasts." -- Paul Hindemith

> On Jan 26, 2018, at 18:00, Bill Patterson <wb.patterson at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Beware of LG refrigerators and clothes washers... We bought them and they
> cause all kinds of RFI problems on HF.... Rule in the house now is no
> washing clothes while on HF and refrigerator is turned off at the breaker
> box.... Saw a Lowes truck in front of the house and I asked the driver if
> they were delivering LG washers in the neighborhood and he said almost once
> or twice a week...Bad news for me as the RFI can travel some distance to
> your antenna.... Where is the FCC on all of this?    Bill NC7MT
> 
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>> Today's Topics:
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>>   1. Re: New Dishwasher - Bosch (Dave Cole (NK7Z))
>>   2. Dishwasher (Dennis)
>>   3. Re: Dishwasher (John Simander)
>>   4. Re: Dishwasher (dalej)
>>   5. Re: Dishwasher (Christopher Brown)
>>   6. Re: Dishwasher (Dennis Monticelli)
>>   7. Re: Dishwasher (dalej)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 11:26:06 -0800
>> From: "Dave Cole (NK7Z)" <dave at nk7z.net>
>> To: rfi at contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [RFI] New Dishwasher - Bosch
>> Message-ID: <24fb523b-7e20-8161-7692-616672bc1913 at nk7z.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
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>> I could not agree more with Jim more...  If we do nothing, then the
>> makers will continue to pump out this sort of product.  if we gripe at
>> every opportunity then they may think twice, or at least they will have
>> had an RFI experience, which forces them to think about the issue...
>> 
>> 
>> 73s and thanks,
>> Dave
>> NK7Z
>> http://www.nk7z.net
>> 
>>> On 01/26/2018 10:09 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
>>>> On 1/26/2018 9:52 AM, Thomas Hoyer wrote:
>>>> I did discover that the under cabinet LED lights I put in raise my
>>>> noise level by a couple S-units when they are on.
>>> 
>>> The cause is the power supply. Replace it with a linear supply if it's
>>> outboard. Or return it as defective.
>>> 
>>>> The Samsung washer we just got is a another story - Big noise
>>>> generator. Quick fix is no wash gets done when I'm on the radios!
>>> 
>>> Best fix is to complain to Samsung and tell them to fix it under
>>> warranty.? It's important that we do that if we don't want more of these
>>> noisy products in the homes of our neighbors, who WON'T turn them off
>>> when we're on the radio.
>>> 
>>> 73, Jim K9YC
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Tom
>>>> W3TA
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Kenneth G. Gordon <kgordon2006 at frontier.com>
>>>> To: rfi <rfi at contesting.com>
>>>> Sent: Fri, Jan 26, 2018 12:29 pm
>>>> Subject: Re: [RFI] New Dishwasher - Bosch
>>>> 
>>>>>> On 1/25/2018 8:59 PM, Bert wrote:
>>>>>> I've had a Bosch dishwasher for a few years and not a peep. The wife
>>>>>> is happy and so am I!!
>>>> We have owned a Bosch dishwasher here, too, for a couple of years.
>>>> Totally silent RFI
>>>> wise, and the Wife just loves it. Very quiet operation too.
>>>> 
>>>> Does an excellent job of cleaning the dishes.
>>>> 
>>>> Has two common "issues". 1) the handle that you use to open the door
>>>> is simply a piece of
>>>> unreinforced plastic, and will break after a while. Costs $80 and a
>>>> good hour to replace. I
>>>> fixed ours by mounting a black "screen-door" handle horizontally to
>>>> the front just above the
>>>> plastic handle. I used self-drilling sheet black sheet-metal screws,
>>>> about 2" long. There is a
>>>> clear area just there with steel behind it. Looks factory and works
>>>> prefectly.
>>>> 
>>>> I can send you a photo if you are interested.
>>>> 
>>>> 2) if the seal at the bottom of the door is allowed to get crap built
>>>> up on it, it will leak. Takes
>>>> 15 minutes to clean it.
>>>> 
>>>> But RFI wise, there isn't any.
>>>> 
>>>> Ken W7EKB
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 15:08:37 -0800
>> From: Dennis <dennis.monticelli at gmail.com>
>> To: rfi at contesting.com
>> Subject: [RFI] Dishwasher
>> Message-ID: <D4B8157E-B866-41E0-A6CD-B27F560294AE at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset=utf-8
>> 
>> Today?s dishwashers are not built to last and have too many electronic
>> features.  We bought a Speed Queen.  It is built to industrial standards
>> and has analog controls.  No RFI.  Indestructible.   Do a search and read
>> the feedback.  You will pay more and get only the necessary features.  The
>> XYL and I are happy owners.
>> 
>> Dennis AE6C
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 23:12:19 +0000
>> From: John Simander <drumbeat70 at outlook.com>
>> To: "rfi at contesting.com" <rfi at contesting.com>, Dennis
>>        <dennis.monticelli at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [RFI] Dishwasher
>> Message-ID:
>>        <BN6PR20MB11853ABAE7312CFD86518096C7E00 at BN6PR20MB1185.
>> namprd20.prod.outlook.com>
>> 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
>> 
>> I want a new light bulb for.the shack. One not too bright and not too dim.
>> One that does not flicker or spark. It also has to be 50 hertz. Any help.
>> 
>> See just how residuals this group has become.
>> NS0I
>> 
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>> ________________________________
>> From: RFI <rfi-bounces at contesting.com> on behalf of Dennis <
>> dennis.monticelli at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Friday, January 26, 2018 6:08:37 PM
>> To: rfi at contesting.com
>> Subject: [RFI] Dishwasher
>> 
>> Today?s dishwashers are not built to last and have too many electronic
>> features.  We bought a Speed Queen.  It is built to industrial standards
>> and has analog controls.  No RFI.  Indestructible.   Do a search and read
>> the feedback.  You will pay more and get only the necessary features.  The
>> XYL and I are happy owners.
>> 
>> Dennis AE6C
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 17:21:36 -0600
>> From: dalej <dj2001x at comcast.net>
>> To: Dennis <dennis.monticelli at gmail.com>
>> Cc: rfi at contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [RFI] Dishwasher
>> Message-ID: <743558EF-5A76-4123-AAA4-0AB3C2675DEA at comcast.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>> 
>> Why is the need to have microprossesors in a ?.dishwasher ???  Or clothing
>> washer, dryer etc.  Displays, etc, why do we need a display for washing
>> dishes or clothing??
>> 
>> It just seems silly.
>> 
>> Dale, K9VUJ
>> 
>> 
>> On 26, Jan 2018, at 17:08, Dennis <dennis.monticelli at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Today?s dishwashers are not built to last and have too many electronic
>> features.  We bought a Speed Queen.  It is built to industrial standards
>> and has analog controls.  No RFI.  Indestructible.   Do a search and read
>> the feedback.  You will pay more and get only the necessary features.  The
>> XYL and I are happy owners.
>> 
>> Dennis AE6C
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 14:23:22 -0900
>> From: Christopher Brown <cbrown at woods.net>
>> To: rfi at contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [RFI] Dishwasher
>> Message-ID: <c71bb030-3a40-2743-7cae-771d6a300f42 at woods.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>> 
>> 
>> The SpeedQueen cloths washers and dryers, the purly electromechanical
>> models anyway (they also make electronic types) are wonderful...I have a
>> set.
>> 
>> But I am not aware of them making dishwashers.
>> 
>> I have a super-quite (sound) Bosch dishwaster, 2 years old.  Upper side
>> of mid range, IIRC sold in the 700 - 900 USD range.  They do seem to
>> make some lower end ones with partially plastic housings, etc, but mid
>> to upper end Bosch units, specially the super-quiet rated ones seem to
>> be all metal housings all over (except for a couple < 2" dia holes for
>> lines/etc entering/leaving the chassis entire thing is metal enclosed).
>> 
>> There is filtration on the AC feed (Corcom filter brik plus toroids), as
>> there is for all my appliance AC feeds but unlike the MayTag it replaced
>> I cannot detect the electronics or VFD when running unless I am nearly
>> touching the case with a noise pickup antenna.
>> 
>> Also very quite to the ears, importany when you have a open plan living
>> room/dining room/kitchen.  Can hear it running if no other noise, but
>> normal conversation or even low tv volume covers it (about 15db quieter
>> than the Maytag it replaced)
>> 
>>> On 1/26/18 14:08, Dennis wrote:
>>> Today?s dishwashers are not built to last and have too many
>>> electronic features.  We bought a Speed Queen.  It is built to
>>> industrial standards and has analog controls.  No RFI.
>>> Indestructible.   Do a search and read the feedback.  You will pay
>>> more and get only the necessary features.  The XYL and I are happy
>>> owners.
>>> 
>>> Dennis AE6C
>>> 
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 15:29:12 -0800
>> From: Dennis Monticelli <dennis.monticelli at gmail.com>
>> To: dalej <dj2001x at comcast.net>
>> Cc: rfi at contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [RFI] Dishwasher
>> Message-ID:
>>        <CADgAsSTEB0K68R1omkz99s_v2u9pNAkKTduatUAyf-po-mXc+w@
>> mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>> 
>> Two basic reasons:
>> 
>> 1)  Extra features are cheaper to implement in a microcontroller (uC).
>> Features help prop up price in the low margin appliance business.
>> 
>> 2)  Younger buyers expect digital controls and displays.  The older
>> technology is just not appealing.  It's so "yesterday."
>> 
>> Guess that means we're all "yesterday" too  :-)
>> 
>> Dennis AE6C
>> 
>>> On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:21 PM, dalej <dj2001x at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Why is the need to have microprossesors in a ?.dishwasher ???  Or
>> clothing
>>> washer, dryer etc.  Displays, etc, why do we need a display for washing
>>> dishes or clothing??
>>> 
>>> It just seems silly.
>>> 
>>> Dale, K9VUJ
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 26, Jan 2018, at 17:08, Dennis <dennis.monticelli at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Today?s dishwashers are not built to last and have too many electronic
>>> features.  We bought a Speed Queen.  It is built to industrial standards
>>> and has analog controls.  No RFI.  Indestructible.   Do a search and read
>>> the feedback.  You will pay more and get only the necessary features.
>> The
>>> XYL and I are happy owners.
>>> 
>>> Dennis AE6C
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 17:39:45 -0600
>> From: dalej <dj2001x at comcast.net>
>> To: Dennis Monticelli <dennis.monticelli at gmail.com>
>> Cc: rfi at contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [RFI] Dishwasher
>> Message-ID: <2AF19691-FF2F-4323-AF34-216B0CE27EF5 at comcast.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset=utf-8
>> 
>> I suppose you are right.
>> 
>> The new gens need to have that display like on the smart fones
>> 
>> I wish them luck.
>> 
>> Pay for stuff that?s not needed to wash some dishes or some clothing.
>> 
>> Dale, K9VUJ
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 26, Jan 2018, at 17:29, Dennis Monticelli <dennis.monticelli at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Two basic reasons:
>> 
>> 1)  Extra features are cheaper to implement in a microcontroller (uC).
>> Features help prop up price in the low margin appliance business.
>> 
>> 2)  Younger buyers expect digital controls and displays.  The older
>> technology is just not appealing.  It's so "yesterday."
>> 
>> Guess that means we're all "yesterday" too  :-)
>> 
>> Dennis AE6C
>> 
>> On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:21 PM, dalej <dj2001x at comcast.net <mailto:
>> dj2001x at comcast.net>> wrote:
>> Why is the need to have microprossesors in a ?.dishwasher ???  Or clothing
>> washer, dryer etc.  Displays, etc, why do we need a display for washing
>> dishes or clothing??
>> 
>> It just seems silly.
>> 
>> Dale, K9VUJ
>> 
>> 
>> On 26, Jan 2018, at 17:08, Dennis <dennis.monticelli at gmail.com <mailto:
>> dennis.monticelli at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Today?s dishwashers are not built to last and have too many electronic
>> features.  We bought a Speed Queen.  It is built to industrial standards
>> and has analog controls.  No RFI.  Indestructible.   Do a search and read
>> the feedback.  You will pay more and get only the necessary features.  The
>> XYL and I are happy owners.
>> 
>> Dennis AE6C
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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