[RFI] RFI Digest, Vol 180, Issue 17
Dave Cole (NK7Z)
dave at nk7z.net
Fri Jan 26 21:14:48 EST 2018
I have one just like that, and it is not so quiet... When the fans
start I can hear them on 10 meters, 12 meters, and a bit on 15. The
antenna apex is maybe 30 feet from the refer though...
73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
http://www.nk7z.net
On 01/26/2018 05:44 PM, Kim Elmore wrote:
> We have a Kenmore Elite refrigerator, made by LG, and purchased about 4 y ago. It is RF quiet.
>
> Kim N5OP
>
> "People that make music together cannot be enemies, at least as long as the music lasts." -- Paul Hindemith
>
>> On Jan 26, 2018, at 18:00, Bill Patterson <wb.patterson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Beware of LG refrigerators and clothes washers... We bought them and they
>> cause all kinds of RFI problems on HF.... Rule in the house now is no
>> washing clothes while on HF and refrigerator is turned off at the breaker
>> box.... Saw a Lowes truck in front of the house and I asked the driver if
>> they were delivering LG washers in the neighborhood and he said almost once
>> or twice a week...Bad news for me as the RFI can travel some distance to
>> your antenna.... Where is the FCC on all of this? Bill NC7MT
>>
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>>> 1. Re: New Dishwasher - Bosch (Dave Cole (NK7Z))
>>> 2. Dishwasher (Dennis)
>>> 3. Re: Dishwasher (John Simander)
>>> 4. Re: Dishwasher (dalej)
>>> 5. Re: Dishwasher (Christopher Brown)
>>> 6. Re: Dishwasher (Dennis Monticelli)
>>> 7. Re: Dishwasher (dalej)
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 11:26:06 -0800
>>> From: "Dave Cole (NK7Z)" <dave at nk7z.net>
>>> To: rfi at contesting.com
>>> Subject: Re: [RFI] New Dishwasher - Bosch
>>> Message-ID: <24fb523b-7e20-8161-7692-616672bc1913 at nk7z.net>
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>>> I could not agree more with Jim more... If we do nothing, then the
>>> makers will continue to pump out this sort of product. if we gripe at
>>> every opportunity then they may think twice, or at least they will have
>>> had an RFI experience, which forces them to think about the issue...
>>>
>>>
>>> 73s and thanks,
>>> Dave
>>> NK7Z
>>> http://www.nk7z.net
>>>
>>>> On 01/26/2018 10:09 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
>>>>> On 1/26/2018 9:52 AM, Thomas Hoyer wrote:
>>>>> I did discover that the under cabinet LED lights I put in raise my
>>>>> noise level by a couple S-units when they are on.
>>>>
>>>> The cause is the power supply. Replace it with a linear supply if it's
>>>> outboard. Or return it as defective.
>>>>
>>>>> The Samsung washer we just got is a another story - Big noise
>>>>> generator. Quick fix is no wash gets done when I'm on the radios!
>>>>
>>>> Best fix is to complain to Samsung and tell them to fix it under
>>>> warranty.? It's important that we do that if we don't want more of these
>>>> noisy products in the homes of our neighbors, who WON'T turn them off
>>>> when we're on the radio.
>>>>
>>>> 73, Jim K9YC
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Tom
>>>>> W3TA
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Kenneth G. Gordon <kgordon2006 at frontier.com>
>>>>> To: rfi <rfi at contesting.com>
>>>>> Sent: Fri, Jan 26, 2018 12:29 pm
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RFI] New Dishwasher - Bosch
>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1/25/2018 8:59 PM, Bert wrote:
>>>>>>> I've had a Bosch dishwasher for a few years and not a peep. The wife
>>>>>>> is happy and so am I!!
>>>>> We have owned a Bosch dishwasher here, too, for a couple of years.
>>>>> Totally silent RFI
>>>>> wise, and the Wife just loves it. Very quiet operation too.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does an excellent job of cleaning the dishes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Has two common "issues". 1) the handle that you use to open the door
>>>>> is simply a piece of
>>>>> unreinforced plastic, and will break after a while. Costs $80 and a
>>>>> good hour to replace. I
>>>>> fixed ours by mounting a black "screen-door" handle horizontally to
>>>>> the front just above the
>>>>> plastic handle. I used self-drilling sheet black sheet-metal screws,
>>>>> about 2" long. There is a
>>>>> clear area just there with steel behind it. Looks factory and works
>>>>> prefectly.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can send you a photo if you are interested.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) if the seal at the bottom of the door is allowed to get crap built
>>>>> up on it, it will leak. Takes
>>>>> 15 minutes to clean it.
>>>>>
>>>>> But RFI wise, there isn't any.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ken W7EKB
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 15:08:37 -0800
>>> From: Dennis <dennis.monticelli at gmail.com>
>>> To: rfi at contesting.com
>>> Subject: [RFI] Dishwasher
>>> Message-ID: <D4B8157E-B866-41E0-A6CD-B27F560294AE at gmail.com>
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>>> Today?s dishwashers are not built to last and have too many electronic
>>> features. We bought a Speed Queen. It is built to industrial standards
>>> and has analog controls. No RFI. Indestructible. Do a search and read
>>> the feedback. You will pay more and get only the necessary features. The
>>> XYL and I are happy owners.
>>>
>>> Dennis AE6C
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 23:12:19 +0000
>>> From: John Simander <drumbeat70 at outlook.com>
>>> To: "rfi at contesting.com" <rfi at contesting.com>, Dennis
>>> <dennis.monticelli at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [RFI] Dishwasher
>>> Message-ID:
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>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
>>>
>>> I want a new light bulb for.the shack. One not too bright and not too dim.
>>> One that does not flicker or spark. It also has to be 50 hertz. Any help.
>>>
>>> See just how residuals this group has become.
>>> NS0I
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>>> ________________________________
>>> From: RFI <rfi-bounces at contesting.com> on behalf of Dennis <
>>> dennis.monticelli at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, January 26, 2018 6:08:37 PM
>>> To: rfi at contesting.com
>>> Subject: [RFI] Dishwasher
>>>
>>> Today?s dishwashers are not built to last and have too many electronic
>>> features. We bought a Speed Queen. It is built to industrial standards
>>> and has analog controls. No RFI. Indestructible. Do a search and read
>>> the feedback. You will pay more and get only the necessary features. The
>>> XYL and I are happy owners.
>>>
>>> Dennis AE6C
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 17:21:36 -0600
>>> From: dalej <dj2001x at comcast.net>
>>> To: Dennis <dennis.monticelli at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: rfi at contesting.com
>>> Subject: Re: [RFI] Dishwasher
>>> Message-ID: <743558EF-5A76-4123-AAA4-0AB3C2675DEA at comcast.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>
>>> Why is the need to have microprossesors in a ?.dishwasher ??? Or clothing
>>> washer, dryer etc. Displays, etc, why do we need a display for washing
>>> dishes or clothing??
>>>
>>> It just seems silly.
>>>
>>> Dale, K9VUJ
>>>
>>>
>>> On 26, Jan 2018, at 17:08, Dennis <dennis.monticelli at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Today?s dishwashers are not built to last and have too many electronic
>>> features. We bought a Speed Queen. It is built to industrial standards
>>> and has analog controls. No RFI. Indestructible. Do a search and read
>>> the feedback. You will pay more and get only the necessary features. The
>>> XYL and I are happy owners.
>>>
>>> Dennis AE6C
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> Message: 5
>>> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 14:23:22 -0900
>>> From: Christopher Brown <cbrown at woods.net>
>>> To: rfi at contesting.com
>>> Subject: Re: [RFI] Dishwasher
>>> Message-ID: <c71bb030-3a40-2743-7cae-771d6a300f42 at woods.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>
>>>
>>> The SpeedQueen cloths washers and dryers, the purly electromechanical
>>> models anyway (they also make electronic types) are wonderful...I have a
>>> set.
>>>
>>> But I am not aware of them making dishwashers.
>>>
>>> I have a super-quite (sound) Bosch dishwaster, 2 years old. Upper side
>>> of mid range, IIRC sold in the 700 - 900 USD range. They do seem to
>>> make some lower end ones with partially plastic housings, etc, but mid
>>> to upper end Bosch units, specially the super-quiet rated ones seem to
>>> be all metal housings all over (except for a couple < 2" dia holes for
>>> lines/etc entering/leaving the chassis entire thing is metal enclosed).
>>>
>>> There is filtration on the AC feed (Corcom filter brik plus toroids), as
>>> there is for all my appliance AC feeds but unlike the MayTag it replaced
>>> I cannot detect the electronics or VFD when running unless I am nearly
>>> touching the case with a noise pickup antenna.
>>>
>>> Also very quite to the ears, importany when you have a open plan living
>>> room/dining room/kitchen. Can hear it running if no other noise, but
>>> normal conversation or even low tv volume covers it (about 15db quieter
>>> than the Maytag it replaced)
>>>
>>>> On 1/26/18 14:08, Dennis wrote:
>>>> Today?s dishwashers are not built to last and have too many
>>>> electronic features. We bought a Speed Queen. It is built to
>>>> industrial standards and has analog controls. No RFI.
>>>> Indestructible. Do a search and read the feedback. You will pay
>>>> more and get only the necessary features. The XYL and I are happy
>>>> owners.
>>>>
>>>> Dennis AE6C
>>>>
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>>>
>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 15:29:12 -0800
>>> From: Dennis Monticelli <dennis.monticelli at gmail.com>
>>> To: dalej <dj2001x at comcast.net>
>>> Cc: rfi at contesting.com
>>> Subject: Re: [RFI] Dishwasher
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <CADgAsSTEB0K68R1omkz99s_v2u9pNAkKTduatUAyf-po-mXc+w@
>>> mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>>
>>> Two basic reasons:
>>>
>>> 1) Extra features are cheaper to implement in a microcontroller (uC).
>>> Features help prop up price in the low margin appliance business.
>>>
>>> 2) Younger buyers expect digital controls and displays. The older
>>> technology is just not appealing. It's so "yesterday."
>>>
>>> Guess that means we're all "yesterday" too :-)
>>>
>>> Dennis AE6C
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:21 PM, dalej <dj2001x at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Why is the need to have microprossesors in a ?.dishwasher ??? Or
>>> clothing
>>>> washer, dryer etc. Displays, etc, why do we need a display for washing
>>>> dishes or clothing??
>>>>
>>>> It just seems silly.
>>>>
>>>> Dale, K9VUJ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 26, Jan 2018, at 17:08, Dennis <dennis.monticelli at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Today?s dishwashers are not built to last and have too many electronic
>>>> features. We bought a Speed Queen. It is built to industrial standards
>>>> and has analog controls. No RFI. Indestructible. Do a search and read
>>>> the feedback. You will pay more and get only the necessary features.
>>> The
>>>> XYL and I are happy owners.
>>>>
>>>> Dennis AE6C
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>
>>> Message: 7
>>> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 17:39:45 -0600
>>> From: dalej <dj2001x at comcast.net>
>>> To: Dennis Monticelli <dennis.monticelli at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: rfi at contesting.com
>>> Subject: Re: [RFI] Dishwasher
>>> Message-ID: <2AF19691-FF2F-4323-AF34-216B0CE27EF5 at comcast.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>
>>> I suppose you are right.
>>>
>>> The new gens need to have that display like on the smart fones
>>>
>>> I wish them luck.
>>>
>>> Pay for stuff that?s not needed to wash some dishes or some clothing.
>>>
>>> Dale, K9VUJ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 26, Jan 2018, at 17:29, Dennis Monticelli <dennis.monticelli at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Two basic reasons:
>>>
>>> 1) Extra features are cheaper to implement in a microcontroller (uC).
>>> Features help prop up price in the low margin appliance business.
>>>
>>> 2) Younger buyers expect digital controls and displays. The older
>>> technology is just not appealing. It's so "yesterday."
>>>
>>> Guess that means we're all "yesterday" too :-)
>>>
>>> Dennis AE6C
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:21 PM, dalej <dj2001x at comcast.net <mailto:
>>> dj2001x at comcast.net>> wrote:
>>> Why is the need to have microprossesors in a ?.dishwasher ??? Or clothing
>>> washer, dryer etc. Displays, etc, why do we need a display for washing
>>> dishes or clothing??
>>>
>>> It just seems silly.
>>>
>>> Dale, K9VUJ
>>>
>>>
>>> On 26, Jan 2018, at 17:08, Dennis <dennis.monticelli at gmail.com <mailto:
>>> dennis.monticelli at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Today?s dishwashers are not built to last and have too many electronic
>>> features. We bought a Speed Queen. It is built to industrial standards
>>> and has analog controls. No RFI. Indestructible. Do a search and read
>>> the feedback. You will pay more and get only the necessary features. The
>>> XYL and I are happy owners.
>>>
>>> Dennis AE6C
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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