[RTTY] Software question

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

> REALbasic is another common one that runs on Linux, Windows and Mac
> OS X. RUMlog and RUMped are for example written on REALbasic, and
> can probably be tweaked to run on Windows it Tom feels like doing
> so.

Except, of course, for Tom's use of cocoaModem as the digital engine
in RUMLog and RUMped <G>.  Unless you're holding out, Chen, that will
not survive any tweaking on Windows (or LINUX).

The same is true for many of the Windows programs that rely on MMTTY
or MMVARI.  REALbasic allegedly has a relatively low hurdle for porting
VB6 applications.  This would allow many of the Windows only programs
(including N1MM Logger, DXLab Suite, and Logger32), to become multi-
platform.  However, because MMTTY and MMVARI are not, to my knowledge,
capable of similar multi-platform deployment those applications would
be without a suitable digital "core."  fldigi - in spite of its multi-
platform capabilities - is not suitable as an MMTTY replacement due to
its lack of UART based FSK support, inability to do simultaneous decode
of dual audio streams (sound card left, soundcard right), and inability
to be instanced.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 7/25/2012 3:40 PM, Kok Chen wrote:
>
> On Jul 25, 2012, at 11:17 AM, Bill, W6WRT wrote:
>
>> I wonder why some programs such as fldigi are written so they will
>> run on almost any operating system, and others such as N1MM Logger
>> will only run on Windows?
>
> Whether you can run a program under various operating systems depends
> on the development environment (Libraries, Framework) that the
> developer uses.  If you write for .NET in Windows, you won't expect
> it to run in Mac OS X, and if you write for Cocoa in Mac OS X, you
> won't expect it to run under Windows.
>
> fldigi uses the Fast and Light Toolkit (fltk) that has its own GUI
> and audio API.  In addition to Linux, the fltk Toolkit (libraries,
> etc) also runs in Windows and Mac OS X.
>
> Thus for example, anything that is built using fltk will be able to
> run in Mac OS X as long as you have ported the fltk library into the
> Macintosh.
>
>> From the computer scientist viewpoint, a program that runs under
>> fltk is not strictly speaking "native."   The developer interfaces
>> with the toolkit's system calls in the fltk library, and the
>> library in turn translates the fltk system calls into the native
>> Mac OS X system calls, in case of a Macintosh.   This holds for
>> things you draw to a window, the action of pressing a button,
>> passing data to and from sound cards, etc.
>
> As such, you can expect different efficiencies compared to programs
> that are written to run natively in Windows or Mac OS X.  But that is
> not really a problem in the modern world, where you hardly eat a few
> percent of a desktop computer's processor capability to begin with.
> And therefore from the user viewpoint, it is "native," as long as you
> don't mind interacting with a user interface that can deviate from
> what they are used to with the native programs.
>
> The inefficiencies will also depend on what you are doing -- if you
> are mostly number crunching (e.g., running DSP code), there is
> probably zero overhead, if you draw a waterfall to a window, you can
> expect greater overhead.
>
> The "FL" in fldigi comes from the name of the Toolkit, just as I use
> "Cocoa," the primary framework in today's Mac OS X, as part of
> cocoaModem's name.  It is also why fldigi has the "Linux look and
> feel" when you run it on Mac OS X.  (More accurately, it is the
> fltk's look and feel.)
>
> Just as you find very different graphical and user interface
> experience between Windows and Mac OS X, the same is true with
> anything using the fl toolkit.  When you run fldigi on a Mac, it
> looks and feels more like a Linux program than a Macintosh program,
> for example.  I have not tried it on Windows (because I have no
> computer at the QTH that runs Windows), but I also don't expect
> fldigi to be as pretty as the Ham Radio Deluxe user interface.
>
> You can read more about the FL toolkit here:
>
> http://www.fltk.org/documentation.php/doc-1.1/intro.html
>
> fltk is not the only environment that is multi-platform.  REALbasic
> is another common one that runs on Linux, Windows and Mac OS X.
> RUMlog and RUMped are for example written on REALbasic, and can
> probably be tweaked to run on Windows it Tom feels like doing so.
>
> 73 Chen, W7AY
>
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