[RTTY] BARTG HF Contest 2015 Preliminary Results

[Al Kozakiewicz]

This thread illustrates a fundamental flaw with the exchange that should be fixed.

I'm sure this wasn't a problem when the BARTG RTTY was conducted using actual teleprinters (emphasis on the "printer") and paper logs.

Computers and automation have created a problem where there was none before.  Normally you would assume that the log of the originator would be the authority of what facts were sent. Ideally, If they logged their exchange incorrectly, they should pay a penalty.  But that is impossible to ascertain because of misuse, misunderstanding or incompetence.  I believe strongly that contests should be adjudicated simply and based solely on the data submitted.  Data elements should not be inferred from some out-of-band information like an RBN, or exchange elements falling within a tolerance level. If you can't readily determine a fact (e.g. time sent) in an absolute sense and with a high degree of certainty from the data submitted by the participants, then there is no point in exchanging that fact.  It subtracts value.

The time element of the BARTG exchange should be discarded in favor of something inherently idiot proof. 

Al
AB2ZY

-----Original Message-----
From: RTTY [mailto:rtty-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Ben Antanaitis - WB2RHM
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2015 8:09 PM
To: rtty-contesting.com
Subject: [RTTY] BARTG HF Contest 2015 Preliminary Results


On 05/09/2015 you wrote:

If the user used the {TIME2} macro in their strings then the time sent and logged and outputted in the cab file should be the same and nothing for them has changed at all before during and after the contest. If the user did not use the {TIME2} macro  (Their own fault for not reading the setup
instructions.) Then their time sent was probably going to be different.
Hope this answers all the questions..
73 Rick N2AMG


Rick,

Thanks, for taking your time to answer my questions. You explanation reassures me that my log, contest transmissions, and Cab data are all accurate, since I used {TIME2} where appropriate.

Thanks also, for all the time you and the team have invested in the 
N1MM+ upgrade.

73,

Ben - WB2RHM/4


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