[RTTY] BARTG HF Contest 2015 Preliminary Results

[John GW4SKA]

Isn't that wonderful.

All the clever programmers and top end PCs can't be made to work as well as 
a 70 years old machine.

So BARTG should change the rules ????????????

John GW4SKA
(writing personally and not with BARTG hat on)


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Al Kozakiewicz" <akozak at hourglass.com>
To: "rtty-contesting.com" <rtty at contesting.com>
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 2:12 AM
Subject: Re: [RTTY] BARTG HF Contest 2015 Preliminary Results


> This thread illustrates a fundamental flaw with the exchange that should 
> be fixed.
>
> I'm sure this wasn't a problem when the BARTG RTTY was conducted using 
> actual teleprinters (emphasis on the "printer") and paper logs.
>
> Computers and automation have created a problem where there was none 
> before.  Normally you would assume that the log of the originator would be 
> the authority of what facts were sent. Ideally, If they logged their 
> exchange incorrectly, they should pay a penalty.  But that is impossible 
> to ascertain because of misuse, misunderstanding or incompetence.  I 
> believe strongly that contests should be adjudicated simply and based 
> solely on the data submitted.  Data elements should not be inferred from 
> some out-of-band information like an RBN, or exchange elements falling 
> within a tolerance level. If you can't readily determine a fact (e.g. time 
> sent) in an absolute sense and with a high degree of certainty from the 
> data submitted by the participants, then there is no point in exchanging 
> that fact.  It subtracts value.
>
> The time element of the BARTG exchange should be discarded in favor of 
> something inherently idiot proof.
>
> Al
> AB2ZY
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: RTTY [mailto:rtty-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Ben 
> Antanaitis - WB2RHM
> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2015 8:09 PM
> To: rtty-contesting.com
> Subject: [RTTY] BARTG HF Contest 2015 Preliminary Results
>
>
> On 05/09/2015 you wrote:
>
> If the user used the {TIME2} macro in their strings then the time sent and 
> logged and outputted in the cab file should be the same and nothing for 
> them has changed at all before during and after the contest. If the user 
> did not use the {TIME2} macro  (Their own fault for not reading the setup
> instructions.) Then their time sent was probably going to be different.
> Hope this answers all the questions..
> 73 Rick N2AMG
>
>
> Rick,
>
> Thanks, for taking your time to answer my questions. You explanation 
> reassures me that my log, contest transmissions, and Cab data are all 
> accurate, since I used {TIME2} where appropriate.
>
> Thanks also, for all the time you and the team have invested in the
> N1MM+ upgrade.
>
> 73,
>
> Ben - WB2RHM/4
>
>
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