[SCCC] W6TK - ARRL DX CW
Marko Myllymaki
marko.l.myllymaki at gmail.com
Mon Feb 18 18:23:09 EST 2019
Hello,
I don’t know any of these operators.
But I think they are trying to do what works best for them individually, they are not, nor should they be too concerned of what works for you (within certain limits). They are first trying to maximize their own overall score (and fun), not yours.
I have in past red comments that this or that operator signed call everytime and was still able to handle monster pileup. Fine, good for him. I certainly cannot do that myself and prefer to have limited amount of stations in pileup, as I will be able to process it faster and overall more people end up having QSO. How often and when you sign call is one tool at your disposal to manage pileup.
It is you who makes decision how you want to spend your limited time in contest, and if it is worth your time to stay or move on if you are not happy on operating style of station in centre of pileup. If he does not sign his call, he is completely happy that you don’t call him and you don’t get into his pileup. DX station will also adapt if pileup gets too thin and there is no stations to work. He will sign his call more often for sure.
I would think you always want to verify callsign whether assisted or not. If I operate assisted, I usually don’t call station before I know who I’m calling.
After each major contest I read all these gripings and I sometimes wonder how many people still have fun contesting and how much fun. People complain of station working split in contest or even stations working SO2R and taking too long to answer, complains about zero beat pileups, existence of clusters etc. etc. Maybe we should try to enjoy it as long as it lasts which is about 1 more sunspot cycle until we run out of stations to work when looking ham demographics around the world. Maybe skimmer robots in future will save it and start also answering us humans and run pileups. They might send call every QSO.
73 de Marko
From: Bill Haddon <haddon.bill at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 2:24 PM
To: Marko Myllymaki <marko.l.myllymaki at gmail.com>
Cc: Bruce Horn <bhorn at hornucopia.com>; SCCC Reflector <sccc at contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [SCCC] W6TK - ARRL DX CW
Marko,
Your point is well-taken. but . . . .
1) The pile-up on V4/W3UL was fairly small and easily managed.
2) There were two other pileups going at the same timeon 20cw, both much larger:
KP2M . . announcing his call very frequently and doing fine (1st-rate op)
V51YJ .. monster pileup. . this op was much less experienced and slower, maybe repeating his call too often! But also managing his pileup just fine.
It seems that about 2/3 of stations are using spots based on <http://3830scores.com> 3830scores.com postings. Given the poor accuracy of many spots, call sign announcment might be valuable even for stations in assisted categories.
In my own Eu pileup Sunday morning it was especially annoying when stations, some v. strong, just popped their call in w/o listening first. Many of the callers usually 100 w or, occasionally, 5w, were weak and difficult to copy.
73 Bill n6zfo
On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 11:00 PM Marko Myllymaki <marko.l.myllymaki at gmail.com <mailto:marko.l.myllymaki at gmail.com> > wrote:
I do have bit different take on this having been on other end and using my
own time and dollars to travel and operating from rare places.
I have also been accused of not iding in past often enough and I have tried
to improve my operating and it is probably better now.
However, giving your call is part of managing pileup and every time you ID
you invite more people into pile-up who otherwise may not yet get in. I
definitely do not support requirement to ID on every QSO (as some people
insist we should do). It does not make sense. Also, it is you, who are in
the pileup ultimately who is deciding to stick around or not. If station in
other end does not give the call, he does not want more people, ie you to
get into pile-up at that moment. He already has enough stations to handle
or more than he can rapidly handle and more stations would further slow him
down. You are free to move on. If you decide to stick around when not
knowing who station is, then that is your decision. Yes, I know it is
annoying when waiting that ID, and even this weekend I did not like couple
stations who took long time to ID. But I completely myself decided what to
do about it, stay or move on. I moved on one time.
Just my opinion.
73 de Marko N5ZO
-----Original Message-----
From: SCCC <sccc-bounces at contesting.com <mailto:sccc-bounces at contesting.com> > On Behalf Of Bill Haddon
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 9:44 PM
To: Bruce Horn <bhorn at hornucopia.com <mailto:bhorn at hornucopia.com> >
Cc: SCCC Reflector <sccc at contesting.com <mailto:sccc at contesting.com> >
Subject: Re: [SCCC] W6TK - ARRL DX CW
Bruce, WA7BNM, wrote;
>While CQWW may have a rule regarding timely IDing, I'm not sure how
>much
it's enforced.
I guess documented complaints would be req'd. . probably we're otherwise
occupied after the contest.
My work-around to allow un-assisted stations to retrieve the call after a
minute might be helpful, but of course it might be tempt some to use other
spots. On the other hand, honor system has to prevail, or our whole sport
falls apart.
Still a rule would be useful,. . so if I were to write to W3UL, I could
cite the rule and say please don't do this. But there is no rule for ARRL
contests.
73 Bill n6zfo
On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 9:34 PM Bruce Horn <bhorn at hornucopia.com <mailto:bhorn at hornucopia.com> > wrote:
> Hi Bill,
>
> While CQWW may have a rule regarding timely IDing, I'm not sure how
> much it's enforced. Timely IDing in this weekend's DX CW contest
> seemed better than either CQWW DX contest from last fall when I had to
> wait minutes for at least a half-dozen stations to ID. This type of
> rule seems to be more aspirational than enforceable.
>
> 73 de Bruce, WA7BNM (bhorn at hornucopia.com <mailto:bhorn at hornucopia.com> )
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Haddon" <haddon.bill at gmail.com <mailto:haddon.bill at gmail.com> >
> To: "Dick Stepanian" <dickw6tk at gmail.com <mailto:dickw6tk at gmail.com> >
> Cc: "SCCC Reflector" <sccc at contesting.com <mailto:sccc at contesting.com> >
> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 9:26:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [SCCC] W6TK - ARRL DX CW
>
> W6TK wrote:
> >Frustration on Sunday afternoon: why
> don't guys sign their calls - and why do callers just keep calling?
>
> ARRL is in the contesting stone age. . .CQWW adopted the ID rule some
> time ago. . from CQWW 2018 rules:
>
> *XII. JUDGING:*
>
> . . . . . unsportsmanlike conduct may lead to disciplinary action by
> the Committee.
>
> *A. Unsportsmanlike Conduct:* Examples of unsportsmanlike conduct
> include, but are not limited to:
>
> . . . . . .
>
> 6. Running stations not identifying in a timely manner (i.e., 1 minute).
> ==========================
>
> Worst offender on Sunday:
> V4/W3UL -- wasted 5 mins. He was my 2nd QSO in the contest at 0001 on 20m
> on Fri. Also. . TF3SG Sunday afternoon, but at least it was a new QSO.
>
> But, W3UL did supply an important multiplier for us.
>
> Otherwise, not too much problem with failure to id. . at least in my case
> (700 Q's and 500,000 pints) . . no actually points (did not drink 807's
> during the contest -- half a million of them would be somewhat excessive).
>
> [A possible answer . . if a station doesn't ID in a minute, allow
> Non-assisted ops to look at the spot for that station.]
>
> 73 Bill N6ZFO
>
> PS . . Dick, I heard KA3DRR on 20m Saturday afternoon. . Is he back?
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 4:11 PM Dick Stepanian <dickw6tk at gmail.com <mailto:dickw6tk at gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> > ARRL DX Contest, CW - 2019
> >
> > Call: W6TK
> > Operator(s): W6TK
> > Station: W6TK
> >
> > Class: SOAB HP
> > QTH: SB
> > Operating Time (hrs): 19
> >
> > Summary:
> > Band QSOs Mults
> > -------------------
> > 160: 9 8
> > 80: 56 35
> > 40: 124 52
> > 20: 362 94
> > 15: 60 30
> > 10: 0 0
> > -------------------
> > Total: 611 219 Total Score = 401,427
> >
> > Club: Southern California Contest Club
> >
> > Comments: I thought Friday evening was great condx. 40 Mtrs -
> > stateside guys were down in signal strength while DX was coming
> > through well. I
> was
> > originally
> > planning on 20 Mtr Single Band - but 40, 80 and even 160 with my
> > wimpy sloper was somewhat productive. Even worked several EU's on
> > 80. I though Sat night was much noisier than Friday night,
> > Frustration on Sunday afternoon: why don't guys sign their calls -
> > and why do callers just keep calling?
> Single
> > op forces me
> > to wait for the DX station to either sign his call or wait for all
> > the callers to pause long enough to copy the call. Some guys have
> > it down
> good
> > - ID every few Q's
> > at most! Oh well - nothing new! Fun to have BIC. Until next time -
73.
> > Dick
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