[SCCC] SCCC Digest, Vol 244, Issue 17
Joe Locascio
pvjoe at yahoo.com
Wed Apr 26 19:17:50 EDT 2023
HI Steve,
GREAT to see you in Visalia (at the DX Conv)
I suggest the use of Jacks & such things as 5 or 6" POSTS!! you can usually buy them in ~8' lengths & cut them into 3 or 4 pieces........USING THE posts, 7 a 2X4 for leverage,. I WAS ABLE TO GET A tx-489 OUT of the way & move a HDX-589 in place (ON IT'S BASE) WHEN I was MUCH Younger!!! Do call me, if ANY of this is UNCLEAR !!!
Joe K5KT
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Today's Topics:
1. Hauling Ideas Needed (Steve Harrison)
2. Re: Hauling Ideas Needed (Dino Darling)
3. Re: Hauling Ideas Needed (Ken Alker)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2023 18:34:33 -0700
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp at k0xp.com>
To: sccc at contesting.com
Subject: [SCCC] Hauling Ideas Needed
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This is a solicitation for ideas.
I have a lead on a 90 ft telescoping tubular Sky Needle, presently
located some 200 miles from my QTH in 29 Palms. It has a large log
periodic on it that will have to be lifted off by an available crane,
which will then lift the tower off its base and onto a trailer, which is
also available. I don't intend to reuse the LP, although pictures I've
seen show it in good condition.
But I can't figure out how we'd get that 4000-pound tubular tower off
the trailer and onto the desert once here. Total length is in the
neighborhood of 28 feet, likely a bit longer. I'd imagine the tower
weight is fairly evenly distributed due to the winch at the base and the
rotator assy at the top. The sand where the tower is to be unloaded is
basically soft, although my 4"-thick driveway is adjacent to that
location, offset by about 15 - 20 feet to the side. I can have the area
for the tower compacted and lay gravel, which works pretty well out here
for my driveway. This soft sand could also be a problem when attempting
to back up the trailer to get the tower where it can be refurbished.
One idea that I have to remove the tower from the trailer is to try to
rent an AWD semitruck boom wrecker truck and operator (which would have
to come from Yucca Valley, I think), which should be able to move over
the sand, particularly if I have some gravel placed where the tower will
be set. Seems to me that the major problem will be to just lift the
tower up high enough for the trailer to drive out from under, then let
it down onto the ground. A pair of overhead hoists would accomplish the
same task, at around the same estimated cost.
Any other ideas?? (No, hitting the gas and letting the tower fall off
the back is a no-go from the start.)
Once the tower is lifted off the trailer, I then have to evaluate the
inner wall condition for rust and corrosion due to the tower having
lived on the SoCal coast for at least 51 years. Any ideas how to
accomplish this? It seems the tower sections will have to be extended on
the ground. I would imagine the military would then drill holes along
the length, measure the wall thickness and perhaps insert an endoscope
to look further at the insides, then weld the holes up. Any other ideas
about this? I could, of course, simply erect it, extend it, and see
whether it withstands our (sometimes high) desert wind.
I've been spending my mornings out on the desert before the heat sets in
building Beverages, and have two more to put up. The others will have to
wait for installation of the Sky Needle.
Thanks,
SteveH K0XP
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2023 04:59:20 +0000
From: Dino Darling <dino at kx6d.com>
To: Steve Harrison <k0xp at k0xp.com>, "sccc at contesting.com"
<sccc at contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [SCCC] Hauling Ideas Needed
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Steve, you have all the right ideas. A shooting boom articulating fork lift will also work easily. If you want help getting this done, call me.
Dino - KX6D
562-665-6286
Dino - KX6D
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From: SCCC <sccc-bounces at contesting.com> on behalf of Steve Harrison <k0xp at k0xp.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2023 6:34:33 PM
To: sccc at contesting.com <sccc at contesting.com>
Subject: [SCCC] Hauling Ideas Needed
This is a solicitation for ideas.
I have a lead on a 90 ft telescoping tubular Sky Needle, presently
located some 200 miles from my QTH in 29 Palms. It has a large log
periodic on it that will have to be lifted off by an available crane,
which will then lift the tower off its base and onto a trailer, which is
also available. I don't intend to reuse the LP, although pictures I've
seen show it in good condition.
But I can't figure out how we'd get that 4000-pound tubular tower off
the trailer and onto the desert once here. Total length is in the
neighborhood of 28 feet, likely a bit longer. I'd imagine the tower
weight is fairly evenly distributed due to the winch at the base and the
rotator assy at the top. The sand where the tower is to be unloaded is
basically soft, although my 4"-thick driveway is adjacent to that
location, offset by about 15 - 20 feet to the side. I can have the area
for the tower compacted and lay gravel, which works pretty well out here
for my driveway. This soft sand could also be a problem when attempting
to back up the trailer to get the tower where it can be refurbished.
One idea that I have to remove the tower from the trailer is to try to
rent an AWD semitruck boom wrecker truck and operator (which would have
to come from Yucca Valley, I think), which should be able to move over
the sand, particularly if I have some gravel placed where the tower will
be set. Seems to me that the major problem will be to just lift the
tower up high enough for the trailer to drive out from under, then let
it down onto the ground. A pair of overhead hoists would accomplish the
same task, at around the same estimated cost.
Any other ideas?? (No, hitting the gas and letting the tower fall off
the back is a no-go from the start.)
Once the tower is lifted off the trailer, I then have to evaluate the
inner wall condition for rust and corrosion due to the tower having
lived on the SoCal coast for at least 51 years. Any ideas how to
accomplish this? It seems the tower sections will have to be extended on
the ground. I would imagine the military would then drill holes along
the length, measure the wall thickness and perhaps insert an endoscope
to look further at the insides, then weld the holes up. Any other ideas
about this? I could, of course, simply erect it, extend it, and see
whether it withstands our (sometimes high) desert wind.
I've been spending my mornings out on the desert before the heat sets in
building Beverages, and have two more to put up. The others will have to
wait for installation of the Sky Needle.
Thanks,
SteveH K0XP
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2023 07:57:07 -0700
From: Ken Alker <ka6ken at alker.net>
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Subject: Re: [SCCC] Hauling Ideas Needed
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A while back I removed a hy-gain HG70HD 70' motorized tower from a
residence. I first fully nested the tower, which brought it down to 22'.
I hired a crane to lift it from the back yard and place it on a Pacific
Boat Trailers G25TW5-10 that I had borrowed. (Stripping the tower and
preparing for transport was a two day process, summarized here in two
sentences :-). The tower rested on the boat trailer as if the trailer was
made for carrying the tower; I was amazed and, perhaps, lucky. I hauled
the tower home with my 2006 Dodge Ram 2500 diesel.
When I got home, I had to figure out how to get the tower off the trailer.
I backed the trailer into my dirt field where I wanted to store the tower
until the day I can put it up. This is where improvisation began. I had
done a ton of planning for tower removal, but hadn't thought through how I
was going to get the tower off of the trailer.
It turns out that the bottom end of the tower was hanging off the back end
of the trailer by at least a foot. This turned out to be quite fortuitous
(as it was not planned, but should have been!). I stacked four wooden
pallets under the bottom end of the tower that was hanging off the back of
trailer. I then positioned my New Holland model 1920 tractor near the
front of the trailer (still hooked up to my truck). The tractor was
perpendicular to the length of the tower and trailer. I wrapped a chain
around the bucket of the tractor and top of the tower. Note that I first
checked how much weight the New Holland bucket assembly could lift and it
was slightly more than half the weight of the tower, which is what I
figured I needed. The tower weighs 1160 pounds (the trailer is 2100
pounds, not that that matters). I lifted the top of the tower off the
trailer and the bottom of the tower (just above the pallets) made contact
with the top of the stack of pallets. I was able to lift the top of the
tower up a few feet freeing the tower entirely from the trailer. The tower
was then at a diagonal to the ground, the top of the tower higher than the
bottom; the bottom end now "resting" (not very securely, mind you), on the
pallets. I then drove the trailer out from under the tower.
Next, I placed four pallets under the free end (top) of the tower and
lowered the bucket until the top of the tower was resting on the newly
placed stack of pallets. I removed the chain and moved the tractor to the
bottom end of the tower and picked that end up in order to move the
original stack of pallets further under the tower to support it more
securely in its resting position.
I hope this helps spark some ideas. I have pictures of the entire process,
if they are helpful to anyone.
Ken Alker (KA6KEN)
--On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 6:34 PM -0700 Steve Harrison <k0xp at k0xp.com>
wrote:
> This is a solicitation for ideas.
>
> I have a lead on a 90 ft telescoping tubular Sky Needle, presently
> located some 200 miles from my QTH in 29 Palms. It has a large log
> periodic on it that will have to be lifted off by an available crane,
> which will then lift the tower off its base and onto a trailer, which is
> also available. I don't intend to reuse the LP, although pictures I've
> seen show it in good condition.
>
> But I can't figure out how we'd get that 4000-pound tubular tower off the
> trailer and onto the desert once here. Total length is in the
> neighborhood of 28 feet, likely a bit longer. I'd imagine the tower
> weight is fairly evenly distributed due to the winch at the base and the
> rotator assy at the top. The sand where the tower is to be unloaded is
> basically soft, although my 4"-thick driveway is adjacent to that
> location, offset by about 15 - 20 feet to the side. I can have the area
> for the tower compacted and lay gravel, which works pretty well out here
> for my driveway. This soft sand could also be a problem when attempting
> to back up the trailer to get the tower where it can be refurbished.
>
> One idea that I have to remove the tower from the trailer is to try to
> rent an AWD semitruck boom wrecker truck and operator (which would have
> to come from Yucca Valley, I think), which should be able to move over
> the sand, particularly if I have some gravel placed where the tower will
> be set. Seems to me that the major problem will be to just lift the tower
> up high enough for the trailer to drive out from under, then let it down
> onto the ground. A pair of overhead hoists would accomplish the same
> task, at around the same estimated cost.
>
> Any other ideas?? (No, hitting the gas and letting the tower fall off the
> back is a no-go from the start.)
>
> Once the tower is lifted off the trailer, I then have to evaluate the
> inner wall condition for rust and corrosion due to the tower having lived
> on the SoCal coast for at least 51 years. Any ideas how to accomplish
> this? It seems the tower sections will have to be extended on the ground.
> I would imagine the military would then drill holes along the length,
> measure the wall thickness and perhaps insert an endoscope to look
> further at the insides, then weld the holes up. Any other ideas about
> this? I could, of course, simply erect it, extend it, and see whether it
> withstands our (sometimes high) desert wind.
>
> I've been spending my mornings out on the desert before the heat sets in
> building Beverages, and have two more to put up. The others will have to
> wait for installation of the Sky Needle.
>
> Thanks,
>
> SteveH K0XP
>
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