[NZ4O Spaceweather] Global Climate Changes not TheResponsibility of Man

[Dave]

Oh, I'm sorry now this group is decending into being rediculous.

I'll leave you all to your conspiracy theories and will get my spaceweather 
information elsewhere.

Bye - Dave (G0DJA)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Yannick XV4TUJ" <yannick.devos at online.fr>
To: "Solar,Space & Geomagnetic Weather Plus An LF/MF/HF/6 Meter Frequency 
RadiowavePropagation Forecast" <spaceweather at contesting.com>
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 5:22 AM
Subject: Re: [NZ4O Spaceweather] Global Climate Changes not 
TheResponsibility of Man


Hi Fred,

I agree with you, and I think your skepticism is a good scientific behavior.
For the really same reason I firmly think human never reached the moon : it 
is far to high in the sky!
And even if they were able to get there, how did they come back to earth : 
the space is so vast.

If you really think about it, what is the easier : forge some fake pictures 
and movies or send tons of materials and living bodies far in the space ?
If the US government was then really concerned about the money of the 
taxpayers, sure they would have elected the first solution.
For more proofs, see how now with 40 years of technical improvements how 
difficult it is to just send people to our close space in the ISS. How many 
failures, how many launch reports... Even the chinese with all the money 
they have selling stuff to the western countries are not able to do the same 
thing. And they do not always think public opinion is something that really 
matters...

Best wishes for this new solar year, and waiting for the new year coming in 
our lunar calendar next month...
72/73,
Yan.
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Yannick DEVOS - XV4TUJ
http://capheda.wordpress.com/ (Blog in french)
http://www.qsl.net/xv4tuj/ (web page in english)

Le 3 janv. 2011 à 07:41, <ffuhrer at elmore.rr.com> <ffuhrer at elmore.rr.com> a 
écrit :

> Hi All,
> I've lurked here for almost six months, getting info on propagation. Now 
> that the subject of "Global Climate Change" has come up repeatedly enough, 
> I'll give you my take: Man cannot affect climate change anymore that we 
> could move the Earth out of it's orbit. Al Gore is a incorrect, and I will 
> tell you why. Our Sun is a long period variable star, cooling and warming 
> in cycles that span centuries. The last ice age was a result of the Sun's 
> cooling to a point where the world temperature dropped an average of 11 
> degrees. Now, the Sun's temperature has risen enough for us to notice it 
> in the weather changes around the world. The oceans are the warmest in 
> recorded history, as is the land. This causes the Earth to release CO2, 
> and methane and other related greenhouse gasses several orders of 
> magnitude higher than it ever has. Destruction of tropical rain forests by 
> climate change, and Man has had an additional effect, but not to the 
> extent that Mister Gore has claimed. Man's contr
> ibution to the greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere has been estimated to 
> be less than 1% of the total amount the Earth has generated. Another 
> thing; why has the UK and western Europe having freezing weather and 
> record amounts of snow? Check out the Gulf Stream - has it changed any?
>
> The point I am trying to make is that this change in climate is NATURAL, 
> not man made. We cannot stop or lessen the effect of the Sun's warming 
> trend. Science and Science Fiction has given us the things we might be 
> able to do in the future, when our level of technology has increased, but 
> for now, all we can do is prepare to "weather the storm". Literally. If 
> you own beach front property anywhere, perhaps in ten or twenty years you 
> sell it, and let somebody else take the loss.
>
> Many proposals have been put forward, such as erecting a shield between 
> the Earth and Sun at a Lagrange point (not possible now that the 
> Government has canceled NASA's new replacement for the Shuttle), throwing 
> pure carbon into the Sun's photosphere to slow the Sun's fusion process 
> (risky, how MUCH carbon, and how do we get it there?), causing a volcanic 
> eruption to throw dust into the upper atmosphere to block the Sun's heat 
> (more practical with today's technology, but in whose backyard do we do 
> this?), or repairing the ozone layer and intensifying it (nobody knows how 
> to fight the Earth's natural processes enough to make this very 
> practical).
>
> So what do we do about the biggest object in our solar system? "Necessity 
> is the mother of invention", and that old saw works. Scientists in our 
> future may be able to solve the problem, given enough incentive, and of 
> course, money. Hopefully we can harden our power grid enough to not lose 
> it and plunge our civilization back 100 years. CME's are very bad news, 
> and we will see more of them - guaranteed. Let's pray that the Sun does 
> not throw one directly at us. In any case, our world is going to see 
> changes that no one in living memory has ever seen.
>
> Best Regards,
> Fred - W4FJF.
> --
>
> A Human Being should be able to change a diaper, write a sonnet, plan an 
> invasion, butcher a cow, conn a ship, design a building, balance accounts, 
> build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, 
> cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze problems, pitch manure, 
> program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, and die 
> gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
> quoted from R.A.H. 1973.
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