[NZ4O Spaceweather] Global Climate Changes not TheResponsibility of Man

[Patrick Weatherford]

I have to agree with Dave.  I am also unsubscribing from this list.  I 
knew that the chances of getting any good space weather updates from 
here was dismal at best, with the owner's on-again, off-again lack of 
commitment, but now this mess?  Thanks anyway.

Patrick
AE5PW



On 1/3/2011 6:36 AM, Dave wrote:
> Oh, I'm sorry now this group is decending into being rediculous.
>
> I'll leave you all to your conspiracy theories and will get my spaceweather
> information elsewhere.
>
> Bye - Dave (G0DJA)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Yannick XV4TUJ"<yannick.devos at online.fr>
> To: "Solar,Space&  Geomagnetic Weather Plus An LF/MF/HF/6 Meter Frequency
> RadiowavePropagation Forecast"<spaceweather at contesting.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 5:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [NZ4O Spaceweather] Global Climate Changes not
> TheResponsibility of Man
>
>
> Hi Fred,
>
> I agree with you, and I think your skepticism is a good scientific behavior.
> For the really same reason I firmly think human never reached the moon : it
> is far to high in the sky!
> And even if they were able to get there, how did they come back to earth :
> the space is so vast.
>
> If you really think about it, what is the easier : forge some fake pictures
> and movies or send tons of materials and living bodies far in the space ?
> If the US government was then really concerned about the money of the
> taxpayers, sure they would have elected the first solution.
> For more proofs, see how now with 40 years of technical improvements how
> difficult it is to just send people to our close space in the ISS. How many
> failures, how many launch reports... Even the chinese with all the money
> they have selling stuff to the western countries are not able to do the same
> thing. And they do not always think public opinion is something that really
> matters...
>
> Best wishes for this new solar year, and waiting for the new year coming in
> our lunar calendar next month...
> 72/73,
> Yan.
> ---
> Yannick DEVOS - XV4TUJ
> http://capheda.wordpress.com/ (Blog in french)
> http://www.qsl.net/xv4tuj/ (web page in english)
>
> Le 3 janv. 2011 à 07:41,<ffuhrer at elmore.rr.com>  <ffuhrer at elmore.rr.com>  a
> écrit :
>
>> Hi All,
>> I've lurked here for almost six months, getting info on propagation. Now
>> that the subject of "Global Climate Change" has come up repeatedly enough,
>> I'll give you my take: Man cannot affect climate change anymore that we
>> could move the Earth out of it's orbit. Al Gore is a incorrect, and I will
>> tell you why. Our Sun is a long period variable star, cooling and warming
>> in cycles that span centuries. The last ice age was a result of the Sun's
>> cooling to a point where the world temperature dropped an average of 11
>> degrees. Now, the Sun's temperature has risen enough for us to notice it
>> in the weather changes around the world. The oceans are the warmest in
>> recorded history, as is the land. This causes the Earth to release CO2,
>> and methane and other related greenhouse gasses several orders of
>> magnitude higher than it ever has. Destruction of tropical rain forests by
>> climate change, and Man has had an additional effect, but not to the
>> extent that Mister Gore has claimed. Man's contr
>> ibution to the greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere has been estimated to
>> be less than 1% of the total amount the Earth has generated. Another
>> thing; why has the UK and western Europe having freezing weather and
>> record amounts of snow? Check out the Gulf Stream - has it changed any?
>>
>> The point I am trying to make is that this change in climate is NATURAL,
>> not man made. We cannot stop or lessen the effect of the Sun's warming
>> trend. Science and Science Fiction has given us the things we might be
>> able to do in the future, when our level of technology has increased, but
>> for now, all we can do is prepare to "weather the storm". Literally. If
>> you own beach front property anywhere, perhaps in ten or twenty years you
>> sell it, and let somebody else take the loss.
>>
>> Many proposals have been put forward, such as erecting a shield between
>> the Earth and Sun at a Lagrange point (not possible now that the
>> Government has canceled NASA's new replacement for the Shuttle), throwing
>> pure carbon into the Sun's photosphere to slow the Sun's fusion process
>> (risky, how MUCH carbon, and how do we get it there?), causing a volcanic
>> eruption to throw dust into the upper atmosphere to block the Sun's heat
>> (more practical with today's technology, but in whose backyard do we do
>> this?), or repairing the ozone layer and intensifying it (nobody knows how
>> to fight the Earth's natural processes enough to make this very
>> practical).
>>
>> So what do we do about the biggest object in our solar system? "Necessity
>> is the mother of invention", and that old saw works. Scientists in our
>> future may be able to solve the problem, given enough incentive, and of
>> course, money. Hopefully we can harden our power grid enough to not lose
>> it and plunge our civilization back 100 years. CME's are very bad news,
>> and we will see more of them - guaranteed. Let's pray that the Sun does
>> not throw one directly at us. In any case, our world is going to see
>> changes that no one in living memory has ever seen.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Fred - W4FJF.
>> --
>>
>> A Human Being should be able to change a diaper, write a sonnet, plan an
>> invasion, butcher a cow, conn a ship, design a building, balance accounts,
>> build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders,
>> cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze problems, pitch manure,
>> program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, and die
>> gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
>> quoted from R.A.H. 1973.
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