Topband: Foreign stns using NA remotes for K1N

[Steve London]

Yes, Milt has it 100% correct !

Paul has chosen his legal (mis)interpretation of Part 97, the RHR guys 
and the ARRL have chosen their (correct) interpretation. If Paul doesn't 
agree with their interpretation, and thinks they should cease and 
desist, that is why we have the FCC, and failing that, the federal court 
system of the United States.

73,
Steve, N2IC

On 02/05/2015 09:59 AM, Milt -- N5IA wrote:
> Paul,
>
> IMHO you and others have failed to hit upon the KEY word, or term, in
> the Part 97 rules.
>
> The KEY WORD is the "COMMUNICATIONS".
>
> The rule is written so that an amateur station cannot be legally used to
> transmit COMMUNICATION, that is, the actual information contained in the
> transmissions, "for material compensation".
>
> To my knowledge, all COMMUNICATION via the remote controlled stations is
> HAM COMMUNICATION only.
>
> No BUSINESS COMMUNICATION is taking place; just AMATEUR RADIO
> COMMUNICATION.
>
> IMHO, it is totally legal per written law, and does not require an
> exception, or a DR or other permission.
>
> Hypothetically, HRO and AES could lease, loan, rent, time share or
> whatever radio systems, to include setting them up, maintaining, paying
> operation costs, etc., to any person who presented a valid amateur radio
> license. That would be no different from the business those two entities
> are currently involved in; that is selling radios and related equipment
> to any person who presents a valid amateur radio license.  They just did
> not think of the 'remote for rent' first and act upon the concept.
>
> Likewise, many, many amateurs hire, pay, bribe with beer, whatever,
> other people to install and maintain their radios and antenna systems.
> Is this against the law as written?  What about all those crane
> operators and professional tower climbers that make significant bucks
> from hams to set up and rig the ham towers and antennas?  It doesn't
> matter if it is a one time situation, or on a contract, ongoing basis.
> If it were illegal, ???????
>
> VHF and UHF Repeaters are not significantly different than HF remote
> bases. Group owned, pay your dues required to use repeaters have been in
> use for nearly 50 years.  Absolutely no difference.
>
> The only requirement, per FCC regulations, for the owner of a 'station
> for rent', whether it is locally controlled (the KP2 and KH6 rentals) or
> remotely controlled (the RHR Network or others) is, that including
> proper identification, the rules and regs are followed for the
> COMMUNICATION and communication method that emits from that station.
>
> It is what it is.  Evolution of technology.
>
> Mis dos centavos.
>
> 73 de Milt, N5IA
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Paul Christensen
> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 8:27 AM
> To: topband at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: Topband: Foreign stns using NA remotes for K1N
>
> Quoting myself:
>
>> 'Rather than embracing this commercial abuse of free spectrum, the League
> should be scrambling to draft a Petition for Rulemaking to prohibit this
> form of paid spectrum access - and that should include all "for profit" and
> "not-for-profit" entities.  What other countries do is their prerogative'
>
> Taking a detailed look at Part 97, specifically,
>
> 97.113(a)(2):
>
> "(a) No amateur station shall transmit: (2) Communications for hire or for
> material compensation, direct or indirect, paid or promised, except as
> otherwise provided in these rules;"
>
> I see no exemption "as otherwise provided" for RHR's toll-based, income
> model.   Note that the rule is specific to the amateur station as defined
> under 97.3(a)(5).
>
> 97.113(a)(3)
>
> "(a) No amateur station shall transmit: (3) Communications in which the
> station licensee or control operator has a pecuniary interest, including
> communications on behalf of an employer, with the following exceptions:"
>
> I still don't see an exemption here for RHR's toll-based business.  Here,
> the entities affected by this subpart are the amateur station, station
> licensee, and/or control operator.
>
>
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