Topband: Use of Remote Receivers During 160 Meter Contests

Tue Mar 17 20:17:36 EDT 2015

Well said, Joel. 

And let's not forget the DXCC Challenge. Google "De Soto Cup" and you get
ARRL press releases like "ARRL Announces DeSoto Cup Winner, DXCC Challenge
Top 10". Something with a "winner" and a "top 10" sure sounds competitive to
me. 

- Larry K5RK

-----Original Message-----
From: Topband [mailto:topband-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Joel
Harrison
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 1:35 PM
To: topband at contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: Use of Remote Receivers During 160 Meter Contests

If someone doesn't believe DXCC is a competition then you have never been to
a DX club meeting, a DX Forum at a hamfest or attended a DX event where the
"Stand up and count down" activity is conducted. You can classify it however
you want, but it IS a competition just the same as a radio sport event
because when it comes right down to it, radio sport is just a personal
achievement with a similar plaque to hang on the wall just like DXCC. I
enjoy both and also enjoying leaning back in my chair and admiring "My"
personal achievements in both areas and also enjoy strutting around with
those lapel pins on (c'mon....so does everyone else!! :-))

I have no issue with remotes being used to access a person's station in a
single location, or a person using a station remotely that is located in a
specific geographical area and identified as such. But to utilize a remote
station to gain a geographical advantage in DXCC or a radiosport event is
simply not fair or on a level field. I believe we all agree on that.

One can argue over current rules, whether DXCC or radio sport, until we're
exhausted and still have not changed each others opinion but we appear to
all agree that 1)remote operation is here and will be from this day fourth;
and 2) Rules will most definitely need to be revised and adjusted to address
this.

One could also argue that the impact on some amateur bands is minimal but
when 160 meters and 6 meters come in to play there is a significant impact
and therein lies part of the difficult issue to address.

I, for one, look forward to the end result because I do believe rule
revisions need to be made in both DXCC and radio sport, but my experience in
the area of amateur radio rules, regulations and politics says this will be
an ongoing evolution for a long time in both areas of DXCC competition and
radio sport competition.

73 Joel W5ZN

> ARRL changed the rules to allow remotes within the country.  I didn't. 

> I

don't even use remotes.  The ARRL also allowed you to move around. These

are completely different animals.   Since you can move around and work

DXCC then why not use Remote radios to work DX, ***********IF you

want*************  I worked DXCC stuff in Montana while I lived there and
here in Colorado.  Some people have chosen to start over.  DXCC is a
personal singular based award. What you do with DXCC and how you chase it
has NO impact on my ability to chase my own DXCC.

> The alleged IT0XXX who worked K1N from the USA, probably operated that

radio outside our laws and regs.  He failed to identify properly and might
have put the actual station owner at risk to FCC action.  Exactly who was in
control of that radio and how was this allowed to happen? Remote radio
owners who share their stations might want to take note. Contesting is a
specific event on specific dates.  If Andy wants to allow remote SDR
receivers and that is in the rules then if you want to be competitive you
better figure out how to do that ********IF you want*********.  Contesting
is a competition.  DXCC is  singular award that can take place over years

and years.    I can't understand how people think DXCC is a competition. 

Everyone can get DXCC Honor Roll #1.  If we are all sitting at 339 and a new
country comes up the guy that gets number 1 is not the first guy that makes
it into the log. Everyone gets number 1 that works them and gets it
confirmed, right? If a contest is created that allows participants to use
remote radios anywhere in their country or allowed by all the various laws,
so be it. Maybe it would be a big hit.  It would be quite different than
what we have now.

> Please explain to me how DXCC relates at all to Contesting.

> Mike W0MU

> On 3/17/2015 10:31 AM, Larry Burke wrote:

>> Absolutely fascinating that you would hold this view for contesting 

>> but

not

>> for DXCC based on your historical comments, Mike.

>> Larry K5RK

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: Topband [ <mailto:topband-bounces at contesting.com>
mailto:topband-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of 

>> W0MU

Mike

>> Fatchett

>> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 10:08 AM

>> To:  <mailto:topband at contesting.com> topband at contesting.com

>> Subject: Re: Topband: Use of Remote Receivers During 160 Meter 

>> Contests

We are are going to allow remote receivers, why not remote transmitters all

>> over the world too...It if were legal.

>> We might as well just get on any one of the messaging systems,

Facebook,

>> Apple, Hangouts, Skype and have contests and free up the airwaves for

more

>> important stuff.

>> You need to hear my transmitter from your location and I need to hear

yours

>> from mine.

>> I am a proponent of remote radio where ALL of the receiving and

transmitting

>> is done from the same SINGLE remote site with the same distance 

>> radius

for

>> that equipment to be in.

>> Mike W0MU

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