[TowerTalk] C31XR? ANT file - Problems2

V.Kecman kk@cg.yu
Wed, 23 Feb 2000 10:36:48 +0100

Yes, I understand I made a mistake. Still, I hope that this posting may
become a benefit to C31XR manufacturers, not a loss. I remember why I
purchased AO6.5 - because I have tested YO1.0 released on some packetcluster
by SP or F ham. K6STI was shocked to hear his software was publicly
released, and after selling me his 6.5 versions, told me that I could use AO
& YO on any of my computers, but NOT to release it on packet!

There are numbers of files included, once you get AO: All Cushcraft yagis,
all HYGain yagis, all KLM yagis. I relly never suspected if a copyright
issue was regulated. I repeat, I should never post any dimensions if I
hadn't seen it done before, like those files in AO, and other files on the
Web. And all this was performed by US citizen, who are under US Copyright
laws. For YU, intelectual property is one thing, and PRODUCT is another, and
must be patented if needed to be copyright protected.

I am NOT refering to the saying from the Bible: Received for free
(knowledge), give it for free, but shouldn't be so unlikely that anyone else
can come up with an antenna design VERY similar to what some people call
C31XR? Should G5RV be a copyright protected antenna? Or KLM tribander?

I think that amateurs could share antenna information, regardless who is
making big $$$$ from us, just because they came up with design that is a
commercial product. C31XR is the best triband yagi, and I recommend that
anyone who can afford to pay $1300 for intellectuall property included with
30 pounds of aluminum tubing, buy that antenna. Other amateurs could benefit
from nice pattern of this antenna by building one of their own. And Force12
could be happy for that.

73 Kele

-----Original Message-----
From: Guy Olinger, K2AV <k2av@contesting.com>
To: V.Kecman <kk@cg.yu>; TowerTalk <towertalk@contesting.com>
Date: srijeda, 23.02.2000. 09:58
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] C31XR? ANT file - Problems

>If the CONTENT (intellectual property, antenna part measurements
>included) of the page is not protected by the copyright, what good is a
>copyright? A copyright means more than you can't run it through a
>photocopier. If program source code is copyrighted and you use that
>source code in your own stuff without permission, you copied it
>illegally. Doesn't matter whether you used a keyboard to copy it, or
>copied it with a pencil, or cut and pasted with an editor, or dictated
>it. It's copied regardless of what media transformations you may have
>used, or what notational conventions were used and/or changed.
>The model file you posted (except for 3 elements) is an exact copy of
>the dimensional material from the copyrighted page 19 of my C31XR
>assembly manual.
>I would suspect that you DO have some sort of copyright restrictions
>there. Pretty hard to do international commerce without them.
>At another level, though, why would one want to do things that undermine
>a manufacturer that is staying in the ham antenna business and is at the
>cutting edge of ham antenna development. Kind of like burning down the
>corner grocery store. All that was accomplished is that now we have to
>go to the next neighborhood to get food. And that guy knows he can raise
>prices and sell spoiled food because the competition is gone.
>As to K6STI, I strongly suspect he had permission to publish the TH6DXX
>If Tom wants to come on here and publish his C31XR design, he knows how.
>Otherwise those model file numbers belong to him.
>- - . . .   . . . - -     .   . . .     - - .   . - . .
>73, Guy
>Apex, NC, USA
>----- Original Message -----
>From: V.Kecman <kk@cg.yu>
>To: Guy Olinger, K2AV <k2av@contesting.com>; <towertalk@contesting.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 2:41 AM
>Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] C31XR? ANT file - Problems
>> >K2AV wrote:
>> >It is one thing to copy something for yourself and make changes for
>> >yourself. It's your time, it's your paid-for aluminum, it's your
>> >with your results, it's your up-and-down-the-tower-time if you screw
>> >up. Publishing personally modified design, and passing it as the real
>> >thing is another. Publishing the exact dimensions without permission
>> >copyright infringement. Changing a few measurements apparently to
>> >copyright infringement still results in copyright infringement in the
>> >USA.
>> >
>> I am sorry to realise that my posting should be under any strict
>> law. There is no such a rule in the country I live, unless the design
>> protected by patent number, clearly shown on assembly sheet. Force12
>> only this: Copyright, BUY U.S.A., Inc, 1995, on the assembly manual
>> However, I considered that  .ANT file should not be under BUY USA
>> protection. Maybe under K6STI copyright protection, but having TH6DXX
>> from one of the web pages encouraged me to  post the file that I
>> 73 Kele
>> YU1AO/6
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