[TowerTalk] Bandpass Filters

donovanf at starpower.net donovanf at starpower.net
Thu Jan 10 07:30:38 EST 2008


The W3NQN filters are excellent.  I use them between my transceivers and all of my amplifiers and they do an excellent job of eliminating out of band spurious signals and noise from the trnasmitted signal.

However...

Traditional laboratory filter measurements are extremely misleading with respect to the actual performance of filters when they are installed in our stations.

Why?  Because the out-of-band impedance of our transmitters (on both transmit and receive), amplifiers, and antennas are often wildly different than 50 ohms.  There are a few exceptions; for example, wideband amplifiers (not multiband amplifiers), triband antennas and log periodic antennas.

We often see spectacular results if we terminate filters in broadband 50 ohm impedances in our laboratory measurements, especially if the filters were designed for broadband 50 ohm terminations.  

The spectacular laboratory measured filter performance is always degraded when we install these filters in our stations, where they are
significantly misterminated in almost every case.  Some filter designs
are extremely sensitive to mistermination, while others (for example, the W3LPL receive filter) were specifically designed to perform
excellently when misterminated.

Its not hard to evaluate filter performance in your station.  On receive, find a very strong signal with the filter switched off, then insert the filter and observe the results.   For example; if you're evaluating a 40 meter filter, signals on the 40 meter band should not be noticably attenuated, while strong signals on every other band should be driven into the noise.

Its a little more complicated to evaluate transmit performance.  One good approach is to use a cooperating nearby ham the listen for your
transmitter harmonics with the filter removed, then measure the 
amount of reduced harmonic signal level after the filter is installed.  

Don't be surprised to find disappointing results from these tests, especially the transmit tests.  Sometimes the results can be improved by lengthening the cable between the filter and the transmitter.

73
Frank
W3LPL


---- Original message ----
>Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 19:43:06 -0600
>From: "Ethan Miller K8GU" <ethan at k8gu.com>  
>Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Bandpass Filters  
>To: towertalk at contesting.com
>
>Alfredo,
>
>Yes, the W3NQN filters are the best.  But, you will need to design
>sufficient radio-to-radio isolation into your switching system in
>order take full advantage of them.
>
>The I.C.E. and Dunestar filters are NOT the same.  The Dunestar
>filters I've measured with a network analyzer are considerably better
>than their I.C.E. counterparts.  For instance, a Dunestar 600 on 40
>meters attenuates the 14-Mhz harmonic about 55-60 dB, whereas the
>I.C.E. is in the 35-40 dB range.  For reference, my homebrew W3NQN
>40-meter filter pushed the harmonic deep into the noise floor of the
>network analyzer (in this configuration, >90 dB).
>
>73,
>
>--Ethan, K8GU/9.
>http://www.k8gu.com/
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