[UK-CONTEST] Club Calls Results

[Peter Hobbs]

Hi Berni,

A long day at the office!  But belatedly - take your example where (let's 
say) an un-named club has fielded 3 club stations in the past.  As far as I 
know they just had to apply and pay the licence fee for these to be issued. 
The temptation is then to activate them in such a way that it's quite 
difficult for contest entrants further away to work them.  Result - a bonus 
of 450 points for the home team, with minimal effort or operating expertise 
being required.

How do I define a scam?  In contest terms, by taking advantage of omissions 
in the rules to gain advantage in a way that was not foreseen by the contest 
organisers.  I wouldn't want to dissuade members from turning out to support 
their club in Club Calls; it's just that if they are given club station 
calls to activate there's an immediate 6 for 1 advantage, just by paying a 
fee.  I'm not sure of the current legislation governing the operation of 
club stations, but it wouldn't surprise me if a club station can choose 
which particular call it uses from time to time, if it has a range 
available.  This could make life even easier for a potential scammer.  Even 
if forbidden by the RSGB general contest rules, it doesn't need to actually 
enter itself.  To me that's a prima facia case of a rule omission leading to 
a situation that was not anticipated and certainly not intended.  Tactics if 
you like, but to me it's a plain old scam, not a lot different from the 
beach towels that we all know and love to hate.

Of course I'd love to meet you and the guys to discuss it all over a jar, 
but where is the club?

73, Peter G3LET


From: "Berni G0IDA" <g0ida at yahoo.com>

> Pete,
>
>  I don't see it as a scam but as looking at the rules and applying tactics 
> if that is indeed what clubs do. Since there is clearly no limit for Club 
> Stations in the rules then every club is open to put on as many or as few 
> CS as they see fit in my humble opinion.
>  I also wouldn't see a problem if the rules were changed to say that only 
> one CS can be used.
>
>  Can I ask you why you think it is a scam?
>
>  All the best,
>
>  Berni
>  G0IDA
>
>  PS We can discus at the club next Wednesday, would be nice to meet you.
>
>
> Peter Hobbs <peter at tilgate.co.uk> wrote:
>  Hi Berni,
>
> Do I gather then that you're quite happy with the hypothetical scam that I
> anticipated?
>
> 73 Peter G3LET
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Berni G0IDA"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 8:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Club Calls Results
>
>
>> Pete,
>>
>> You'll notice that there is no problem in having more than one Club
>> Station for this contest as Northampton have been doing this for at least
>> the last 3 years and I'm sure the adjudicators have noticed them.
>> Whether you go QRP with those stations is purely a tactical thing, I
>> would say, as some clubs are out there to win and others just to have a
>> spot of fun and training.
>>
>> 73's
>>
>> Berni
>> G0IDA
>>
>> Peter Hobbs
> wrote:
>> Thanks to Mike for the very early results for this event, especially
>> considering the extra manual work obviously required to handle the
>> reported discrepancies in club names.
>> I had imagined that each participating club would field *one* club 
>> station
>> but looking at the rules, more than one does not appear to be disallowed,
>> providing that all such stations use calls specifically issued to the
>> club. I do wonder however whether multiple club station entries were
>> envisaged by the organisers and whether consideration should be given to
>> clarifying this point in the rules. One could imagine a hypothetical
>> situation arising where a club fields a number of QRP club stations in
>> their area that are only capable of working local stations, including of
>> course their club members . . .
>>
>> 73 Peter G3LET
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