[UK-CONTEST] UK-Contest Digest, Vol 80, Issue 5 an observation
Christopher Soames
semaos at semaos.plus.com
Mon Aug 3 13:05:48 PDT 2009
ROPOCO slow yes,
Trashed post codes yes
boring no, just more work for fewer Q's, I doubt if anyone worked
everyone as I for one did not.
Enjoyment yes.
Just put up with the times and dates and get on with a slightly
different contest.
I get so used to RST and Ser No for the usual CC contest that I forget
other aspects to contesting and believe me I am no expert.
Some one lays it on so I try to take part, least I can do when I am
available, and all other interference permits.
So I only got 48 wow, I will probably lose some of them as well but I
still enjoyed taking part.
To the organisers I say thank you.
To the whingers I say see you in the next one if everything this end
permits me to enter.
I will probably get far less Q's than you but worried not.
TZZ
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> 1. Re: ROPOCO-The furure (David, G3YYD)
> 2. Re: ROPOCO-The furure (Clive GM3POI)
> 3. Re: RSGB LOG INPUT (Don Field)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 11:39:19 +0000
> From: "David, G3YYD" <g3yyd at btinternet.com>
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] ROPOCO-The furure
> To: uk-contest at contesting.com
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> Some observations.
>
> ROPOCO is a single mode contest on Sunday morning. The CC and Sprint are
> multi-mode and weekday evenings. It is like comparing chalk and cheese
>
> QRM to other band users: Total QSO count on ROPOCO must be about 2500 in
> the CW segment spread over 60 minutes (everyone has worked everyone else
> by then). That is an average of 32 QSOs a minute on a 200Hz bandwidth
> mode does not take up much of the band. Or with 60 entrants at 500Hz
> spacing all calling CQ at the same time that is only 30KHz. Compare that
> with CC or Sprint evening SSB then ROPOCO is not going to cause much QRM
> to normal band users, which CC and Sprint do and cause a lot of QRM for
> other band users. QRM to others is not a problem with ROPOCO so it can
> be held at any time and any day of the week.
>
> Propagation at the moment for inter-G/GI/GM/GW working is better around
> sunset or sunrise. Taking into account most peoples sleep pattern, which
> is to rise after sunrise (in August) and go to sleep after sunset an
> evening contest would be a better bet. This suggests for the August
> ROPOCO that 1900 to 2100z would be better for both operators and
> propagation. A similar argument would produce an earlier time 1800 to
> 2000z for the April ROPOCO as Sunset is earlier in April.
>
> As for which day of the week, I leave others to argue that one, but
> Sunday evening is probably as good as any.
>
> David G3YYD
>
> Clive Whelan wrote:
>
>> Well I can tell you Don that just like in AFS, those away from the
>> centres of population are severely handicapped anyway i.e. NVIS
>> syndrome. Ask any GW who has tried that event or ROPOCO from Swamsea or
>> e.g. Pembs.: anyway with a Butternut I am ONLY a good signal in GM!
>>
>> There will always be winners and losers, but the current format is a
>> lose-lose situation. Actually I suspect the real reason for the ungodly
>> hour is to avoid upsetting the anti-contest faction. Do they actually
>> have an 80m chapter any more?
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Clive
>> GW3NJW
>>
>> Don Beattie wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Just one comment, Clive
>>>
>>> I seem to remember that the reason for the "unsocial hour" was to allow the
>>> northern GMs to have a chance at any propagation.
>>>
>>> So I guess the answer might be to move it to an evening (like the CCs)
>>>
>>> 73
>>>
>>> Don, G3BJ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Clive Whelan" <clive.whelan at btinternet.com>
>>> To: "UK Contest Reflector" <uk-contest at contesting.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 10:27 AM
>>> Subject: [UK-CONTEST] ROPOCO-The furure
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> If this sounds like a whinge, let me start by saying that ROPOCO is the
>>>> finest ( short) contest in the RSGB calendar, and it's a tragedy that
>>>> it's dying on its feet.
>>>>
>>>> To me, the proposed solutions aired here seem like death by a thousand
>>>> cuts. Surely any contest which cannot support a duration of a couple of
>>>> hours, doesn't deserve to survive? Sure it's a challenging format, and
>>>> places great demands on the CW copying ability of the operator. Actually
>>>> that doesn't challenge me personally, but stiff fingers and the short
>>>> term memory span of a goldfish tend to militate against logging
>>>> accuracy. So what, nobody said it was going to be a stroll in the park,
>>>> and all the better for that.
>>>>
>>>> I had fully intended to be on for ROPOCO2, but a domestic exigency ( a
>>>> sick dog) meant that my head didn't hit the pillow until after 02:00
>>>> BST, so by the time I had risen, abluted, and consumed an appropriate
>>>> amount of caffeine rich beverage, it was almost stumps in ROPOCO2.
>>>> Succinctly, ROPOCO will never prosper while it is scheduled at such an
>>>> unsocial hour on the seventh day. HFCC, move it to a more appropriate
>>>> time slot or lose yet another event ( cf 7Mhz DX et al.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 73
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Clive
>>>> GW3NJW
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> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 11:56:42 -0000
> From: "Clive GM3POI" <gm3poi2 at btinternet.com>
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] ROPOCO-The furure
> To: "UK Contest Reflector" <uk-contest at contesting.com>
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> Don, No chance of proper propagation here at 0700z. The sun
> had risen about 4 hours before the start.
> The HFCC do not appear to know about D layer absorption.
> Why this contest can't be put at say Sunday evening or any
> other day of the week and at a time in the year when the
> Holidays are over, and cannot comprehend. 73 Clive GM3POI
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Beattie" <g3ozf at btinternet.com>
> To: "UK Contest Reflector" <uk-contest at contesting.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 9:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] ROPOCO-The furure
>
>
>
>> Just one comment, Clive
>>
>> I seem to remember that the reason for the "unsocial hour"
>> was to allow the
>> northern GMs to have a chance at any propagation.
>>
>> So I guess the answer might be to move it to an evening
>> (like the CCs)
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Don, G3BJ
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Clive Whelan" <clive.whelan at btinternet.com>
>> To: "UK Contest Reflector" <uk-contest at contesting.com>
>> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 10:27 AM
>> Subject: [UK-CONTEST] ROPOCO-The furure
>>
>>
>>
>>> If this sounds like a whinge, let me start by saying that
>>> ROPOCO is the
>>> finest ( short) contest in the RSGB calendar, and it's a
>>> tragedy that
>>> it's dying on its feet.
>>>
>>> To me, the proposed solutions aired here seem like death
>>> by a thousand
>>> cuts. Surely any contest which cannot support a duration
>>> of a couple of
>>> hours, doesn't deserve to survive? Sure it's a
>>> challenging format, and
>>> places great demands on the CW copying ability of the
>>> operator. Actually
>>> that doesn't challenge me personally, but stiff fingers
>>> and the short
>>> term memory span of a goldfish tend to militate against
>>> logging
>>> accuracy. So what, nobody said it was going to be a
>>> stroll in the park,
>>> and all the better for that.
>>>
>>> I had fully intended to be on for ROPOCO2, but a domestic
>>> exigency ( a
>>> sick dog) meant that my head didn't hit the pillow until
>>> after 02:00
>>> BST, so by the time I had risen, abluted, and consumed an
>>> appropriate
>>> amount of caffeine rich beverage, it was almost stumps in
>>> ROPOCO2.
>>> Succinctly, ROPOCO will never prosper while it is
>>> scheduled at such an
>>> unsocial hour on the seventh day. HFCC, move it to a more
>>> appropriate
>>> time slot or lose yet another event ( cf 7Mhz DX et al.)
>>>
>>>
>>> 73
>>>
>>>
>>> Clive
>>> GW3NJW
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> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:08:12 +0000
> From: Don Field <don.field at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] RSGB LOG INPUT
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> For the record (just back from a holiday in 5B4), the software which Marios
> (G0WWW, 5B4WN) wrote automatically deletes /P, /QRP, etc. and puts all
> portable designators TK/, /TK, etc. into a common format. This is necessary
> to avoid, for example, gving credit for dupes (we typically get stuff like
> TF/G3XTT, G3XTT/TF, G3XTT/P/TF, etc, etc., even in the one log!).
>
> Don G3XTT
> (IOTA Contest Manager)
>
> 2009/7/30 Don Beattie <g3ozf at btinternet.com>
>
>
>> Does anyone know the answer to this ?
>>
>> In the IOTA Contest there was a station in TK signing [own call]/TK rather
>> than the required TK/[own call]
>>
>> Should I log this as received or does the contest checking software only
>> accept the conventional structure of a call ?
>>
>> I'd prefer not to lose the mult ! (:-)
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Don, G3BJ
>>
>>
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