[UK-CONTEST] Not sending what you key in

[Tom GM4FDM]

Again going back to Barry's comment that this is OK if your sending via 
the keyboard, but if you are sendling by paddle, you can send something 
and unfortunately log something else due to sloppy typing.   I still 
wonder if there are a few guys out there who only give out a few numbers 
in the contest via their favourite logger, or still (god forbid) even a 
paper log, then post contest, re-type the QSOs into a contest logger, so 
that they can generate a cabrillo or whatever - or am I stretching the 
imagination too much.

My mind goes back to the days when I was a typer upper of IOTA Contest 
logs which were received via paper and often especially with foreign 
amateurs it was difficult to read their writing, to ensure I accurately 
typed up their log.

:-)

Tom
GM4FDM
GOM


On 15/08/2011 08:56, Bob Henderson wrote:
> Hi Barry
>
> I agree it is easy to understand.  Though I doubt many serious contesters
> will these days accept the increased risk associated with divorcing what is
> sent from what is logged.  An own goal for sure.
>
> My point is that communication would be improved were the sender to share
> responsibility for accurate receipt.  This mostly isn't the case.  Of
> course, what I suggest isn't going to happen any time soon because it would
> disturb established exchange dynamics. To illustrate:
>
> Me: Test P3F
> You: GM3YEH
> Me: GM3YEH 5nn
> You: 5nn
> Me: TU
> Then: W2YZ etc
>
> The above conveys a typical contest exchange.  Note that the station I work
> never actually sends my call.  How might I know if he has copied me as P3L?
> I can't.  This underlines the inequity in penalising me as a consequence of
> him logging P3L.  I must assume my QSO partner can accurately read my CW.
> Very sloppy!
>
> Greater efficacy would arise were both parties penalised for imperfect two
> way communication.  I don't see any need for penalties of multiple QSO
> points merely zero points for the contact.
>
> As I said this ain't going to happen soon, if not for any other reason than
> it would disturb the status quo significantly, at least so far as contest
> records are concerned.  This because the current "efficient" exchange format
> would suddenly become a hazard to be averted and rate reduction would
> result.  Viz:
>
> Me: Test P3F
> You: P3F (de) GM3YEH
> Me: GM3YEH 5nn
> You: 5nn
> Me: TU
>
> Suddenly you need to send my call because I now need confidence you know who
> I am.
>
> Perish the thought.  ;-)
>
> Bob, 5B4AGN
>
>
> On 14 August 2011 19:36, GM3YEH<gm3yeh at gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> Hi Bob,
>> In routine CW QSOs D2SG Craig (aka MM0SSG) doesn't use ESM.  What he types
>> goes into the log but what he sends comes from his paddles.  The scenario
>> Tom describes is easy to understand when this is taken into account.
>> 73 Barry GM3YEH.
>>
>>
>>> On 13 Aug 2011 at 11:15, Tom GM4FDM wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hmmmmmm.    I am qsl manager for Craig  D2SG.    In his last log there
>>>> were 12 instances of    where he had keyed in an O  instead of a 0
>>>> (zero)    like MOAXT instead of M0AXT  there were two instances of
>> where
>>>> Craig had keyed in an I instead of a 1.  So these QSOs did not match in
>>>> LOTW.
>>>>
>>> From: Bob Henderson<bob.5b4agn at gmail.com>
>>> To: UK Contest Reflector<uk-contest at contesting.com>
>>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 10:42:22 +0000
>>> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Who loses points for bad QSO?
>>> Tom
>>>
>>> You mean you don't send what you key in?
>>>
>>> Bob, 5B4AGN
>>>
>>>
>>>
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