[UK-CONTEST] Important message from the UK ContestReflector Administrator

Mon Nov 5 01:47:28 EST 2012

Bob and all

What I can not understand is where this idea of separate reflectors came 
from, first there is one complete group, then the decision is made to move 
to a different reflector (Yahoo).  Somehow out of that decision to move to 
Yahoo, somebody came up with a idea of splitting the contest forum, started 
a poll which the vast majority of members never voted implying they were 
content with the present "one" forum reflector, a small minority of users 
voted of which there was a even smaller minority voted yes the net result, 
the small vocal minority have there separate HF forum.

Now in simple terms the RSGB has one radio sport committee HF and VHF, not 
two so is this a ploy to separate the two sections of contest committee 
again, hidden agenda or am I reading to much into it.

Still makes no sense to me splitting the two sections, sounds like a home 
goal again.

73

Roger G4OCO

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Harrison" <bob at g4ujs.shacknet.nu>
To: "'Contest Reflector UK'" <uk-contest at contesting.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 11:11 PM
Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Important message from the UK ContestReflector 
Administrator

> We will in the future get lots of double messages.....as posters will 
> think it is of VHF and HF interest so they will post to the 2 
> reflectors... its hardly progress chaps.
>
> Or a real poll, when we all know when it closes giving those who are away 
> all week anopportunity etc etc....
>
> Bob
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: UK-Contest [mailto:uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf
>> Of Roger Western
>> Sent: 04 November 2012 23:06
>> To: Contest Reflector UK
>> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Important message from the UK Contest
>> Reflector Administrator
>>
>> John,
>> That is rather unkind, old chap, or even mildly insulting! The 'poll' 
>> asked two
>> simple questions, requiring no interpretation whatsoever. So, my own 
>> stance
>> on the issue was irrelevant: I merely counted and reported the 'votes'.
>> Without comment. The fact that the result was not to your liking should 
>> not
>> lead you to shoot the messenger. It may interest you to know that over
>> several decades I was a Business Analyst - I know where to draw the lines 
>> in
>> order to preclude bias.
>>
>> This is a situation where no solution would please all of the people all 
>> of the
>> time: a Marmite case but with a majority whose opinion then prevailed. I
>> assure you that I had absolutely no input about this 'poll' from the 
>> reflector
>> moderators - before, during or after: it was merely my own initiative, 
>> trying
>> to be helpful.
>>
>> Anyway, it's hardly the end of the world: subscribing to both reflectors 
>> is not
>> onerous! Let's all now get back to meaningful contesting issues.
>>
>> All the best - 73 de Roger/G3SXW.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John G3UUT
>> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 1:38 PM
>> To: uk-contest at contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Important message from the UK Contest
>> Reflector Administrator
>>
>> That's unfortunate, I'm happy about the move to Yahoo but unhappy about
>> splitting the groups, I think the moderators have given in to the voluble
>> minority on both sides leaving us, the silent majority, to have to cope 
>> with
>> two groups.  I was particularly unhappy about the recent poll on this and 
>> I
>> now, regret not having made my feelings clear earlier.  This poll was
>> conducted by a someone with opinions very much on one side and it appears
>> the moderators have gone along with it.  I suspect those of us interested 
>> in
>> both HF and VHF will now have to put up with at least 50% more emails,
>> putting HF or VHF at the start of the subject would have been a much 
>> better
>> solution
>>
>> John G3UUT
>>
>> On 03/11/2012 21:09, Mark David wrote:
>> > *
>> >
>> > Message From UK Contest list administration
>> >
>> >
>> > Important notice to subscribers of UK Contest.
>> >
>> >
>> > As administrator for the UK Contest reflector the recent debate on UK
>> > Contest reflector has brought to the attention of the reflector
>> > subscribers a discussion that has been held off list for over a year
>> > now. The key point has been whether to offer opportunities for the HF
>> > and V/UHF communities to collaborate on their relevant topics of
>> > interest in their own forum.
>> >
>> >
>> > An additional factor to consider is the current software used for the 
>> > UK
>> > Contest reflector which is based on rather dated 'Mailman' platform The
>> > current reflector has served the UK contest community well. In recent
>> > years, other social platforms with improved functionality and 'user
>> > friendliness' have come to the fore, most noteworthy being 'Yahoo
>> Groups',
>> > as
>> > used by many UK and world-wide amateur radio special interest groups.
>> >
>> >
>> > With these two points in mind this notice advises all subscribers to UK
>> > Contest of the intent to:
>> >
>> >
>> > 1. Migrate UK Contest to two new groups on Yahoo each focused on HF
>> and
>> > VHF
>> > respectively.
>> >
>> >
>> > 2. By the end of November 2012 to close down the existing UK Contest
>> > reflector
>> >
>> >
>> > The user may choose to subscribe to either or both Yahoo groups.
>> >
>> >
>> > Migration Plan
>> >
>> >
>> > 1st November 2012 - New Yahoo Groups sites open for subscription. Users
>> > will be responsible for actioning their subscription to the Yahoo 
>> > Group -
>> > there will be no invitation process. New subscribers to the existing UK
>> > Contest reflector will be rejected and informed of the new groups.
>> >
>> >
>> > During November 2012 - All postings to UK Contest will be tagged with a
>> > reminder message, frequent reminder messages will be posted to UK
>> Contest.
>> >
>> >
>> > 30th November 2012 - All posts to UK Contest will be rejected, site
>> > archive
>> > will remain accessible.
>> >
>> >
>> > How to join the new groups
>> >
>> >
>> > Two new groups have been created on Yahoo Groups, one for HF
>> Contesting
>> > and
>> > one for V/UHF (incl. 50MHz) Contesting; all UK Contest members are
>> welcome
>> > to join either or both of these new groups to continue discussions.
>> >
>> >
>> > To join the HF Contest reflector follow this link:
>> >
>> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/uk-hf-contesting
>> >
>> > To join the V/UHF Contest reflector follow this link:
>> >
>> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/uk-vhf-contesting
>> >
>> >
>> > For those unfamiliar with Yahoo Groups, it's easy to navigate and 
>> > offers
>> > extra functionality such as searching, opinion polls, a calendar, photo
>> > gallery and files section that will potentially add to the reflector
>> > experience. You may be required to configure an account with Yahoo.
>> >
>> > If you need help registering on the new reflectors, please contact one 
>> > of
>> > the administrators of these  new groups by emailing:
>> >
>> >
>> > uk-hf-contesting-owner at yahoogroups.co.uk
>> >
>> > or
>> >
>> > uk-vhf-contesting-owner at yahoogroups.co.uk
>> >
>> > <uk-vhf-contesting-owner at yahoogroups.co.uk>
>> >
>> > John G4IRN, Chris GM3WOJ and Mark G4MEM are jointly administering
>> these
>> > new
>> > groups. As a reminder these reflectors are open to all interested 
>> > partie
>> > and operates independently of the Radio Society of Great Britain.
>> >
>> > Thank you for your participation on UK Contest Reflector over the 
>> > years,
>> > we
>> > look forward to seeing you all on the new reflectors.
>> >
>> >
>> > Mark, G4MEM.
>> > UK Contest Reflector Administrator
>> > 3rd November 2012*
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