[UK-CONTEST] Where are the UBNs published

Wed Sep 19 08:16:55 EDT 2012

I can see Clive Ws point of view that not everyone would like this. But if ops, whether new to the hobby or not, can't handle this then perhaps this is not a contest for them. Football results get published at all levels of divisions.

Contest operating is all about accurate operating and there will be errors. The new contesters should respect the format of publishing this information (and in my experience they mainly do). This is very useful to the newbie and is a form of motivation, and an opportunity, to show just how well they've done to improve next time around. This also goes towards reducing the temptation by some to break the rules.

Also, if a newbie has a very good UBN, I'm sure they wouldn't mind sharing this good result.

I regard the forge QSL point invalid for this discussion. Offenders of this can get much more information all the time by just switching on the radio.

When I was a newbie, I admired the amazing slick operators and actually loved to see my UBN gradually get better over time. Its what its all about! Let's encourage openness, honesty and good adjudication at the same time as providing all operators, regardless of their experience, the opportunity to improve. The more these are practised, in my opinion at least, the better!

73,
Mark M0DXR

Mark Haynes
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Clive GM3POI" <gm3poi2 at btinternet.com>
Sender: "UK-Contest" <uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 11:50:28 
To: 'Clive Whelan'<clive at gw3njw.net>
Cc: 'UK Contest'<uk-contest at contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Where are the UBNs published

Clive I don't remember you being QRV in these 80m events but I would say the
whole series has now moved on beyond the initial efforts of new entrants.
For example the average cw speed has gone up over the last two years.
	When 80m CC entrants join major contests they will have to contend
with getting things right, and the CC objectives should be to achieve a
higher standard of operating by UK entrants. 
73 Clive GM3POI 

-----Original Message-----
From: UK-Contest [mailto:uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of
Clive Whelan
Sent: 19 September 2012 11:23
Cc: 'UK Contest'
Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Where are the UBNs published

Why on earth, would you want a UBN of a newbie operator to be published 
( and after all aren't the RSGB CCs explicitly for them really )?

As an OF operator , if I make mistakes I can live with that, and frankly 
don't care what anyone else thinks about me. ( one of the few upsides of 
getting old ! )

But, if I were a contest newcomer ,especially in CW mode, I'd be very 
disheartened and dispirited to to see my faux pas published.

CQWW is a big boys' event, so if you don't like the heat, stay out of 
the kitchen, but RSGB training events such as these are totally different.

Openness and transparency should be assessed in context imo. One size 
never fitted all.

73

Clive

On 19/09/2012 06:47, Clive GM3POI wrote:
> The EU sprint which RSGB copies in format on 80m publishes the log and
> errors, In these days of openness it should be the CCs aim to provide all
> information  once it has been submitted and checked.
> 73 Clive GM3POI
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: UK-Contest [mailto:uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of
> Dave Sergeant
> Sent: 19 September 2012 05:56
> To: UK Contest
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Where are the UBNs published
>
> PLEASE NO, do not follow CQ with this practice. Publishing full logs
> makes forged QSLs for DXCC and other awards a free for all. That is why
> most dxpedition online logs only show you the band you have made a QSO
> on, not the full QSO details - and in Log Book of the World where you
> only receive a confirmation if both sides of the QSO match.
>
> Regarding UBNs, I would like to receive a UBN in all cases, regardless
> of whether I have made any errors in that contest. Do not limit it to
> entrants who have made one or more errors, if I have an error free log
> (which it seems I sometimes do) then I would like to be told so.
>
> 73 Dave G3YMC
>
> On 18 Sep 2012 at 22:34, Steve GW4BLE wrote:
>
>    
>> Open logs and UBN's please for all contests please!
>>
>>
>>      
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