[VHFcontesting] Police Your Peers - Re: internet contest

Fri Jan 25 15:55:12 EST 2008

Agreed, but it is sad when rules are blatantly violated. Honest mitakes are
one thing, but deliberate crossing the lin to gain points in a ham radio
contest is just sad.

Go watch The Longest Yard... Maybe I am a dinosaur from times past, the days
when OOs helped people out, the days when clubs had hamfests without bongs,
porn and crafts, the days when Elmers ruled the hobby, who knows.

Let's do our best to bring those times back...

On 1/25/08, Gerry Hull <gerry at w1ve.com> wrote:
>
> Steve,
>
> "There are many many stations out there not playing fair.  This is not a
> hobby to them, it is a all out
> war with all rules expendable when winning the contestis at stake.  I have
> seen it, many of you have too."
>
> <vent>
>
> Name names, specific times, dates, frequencies, etc.  Give Details.   If
> any
> of what you say is true, people would be disqualified.
>
> Do contesters push the limits?  Absolutely.   It's the nature of it being
> a
> CONTEST.   Contesters, by nature, are push-the-limit folks!
>
> How about those guys doing 802.11b?  That's AWESOME!  Even if it nets 1 or
> 2
> QSOs, that could meanone or two new mults, which could be the difference
> between a win and a loss. Yet, here on this reflector, people worry about
> the "legality" of making 802.11 QSOs....
>
> WA1ZMS had exactly ONE QSO in the January contest.   He probably will not
> win.  Yet, he made a 114km QSO on 241GHz, a new world record.   Now -- the
> gear for the band is incredibly rare, expensive and bleeding edge...
> Should we complain about  his pushing the envelope?
>
> If you don't like the heat, get out of the kitchen -- which you obviously
> did. Thats too bad -- it makes less QSOs for everyone.
> Year after year, people fill these reflectors with bellyaching and
> innuendo about who-did-what and why they should be disqualified.
> It's called sore-loser syndrome.
>
> Many want to keep everything the way it is -- no Internet, no APRS, no
> anything new.
>
> Well, guess what?   We live in a majority-rules world.
>
> Have you ever taken the time to write contest committee members and voice
> your opinion on these matters?
> If so, great.   If not, don't waste your time complaining here....  It
> might
> make you feel good, but it's not going to change anything.
> If you want to win, you have to use every possible tool available to you.
> That is the nature of sport.  As technology advances,
> the number and types of tools WILL change.   Digital EME, APRS,
> 802.11g anyone?
> (vigorous debate on ANY of these tools is GREAT, but using new tools does
> not constitute cheating unless specifically prohibited in the rules.)
>
> And, if you just enjoy running around to a bunch of locations making QSOs,
> as many rovers do, more power to you!  That's a lot of fun too.
>
> Oh, and one final word about policing -- Amateur Radio contests are
> self-policing.   If you cheat to win and you do not get caught, it is an
> "empty" win.   However, if you cheat and get caught by fellow amateurs,
> you'll probably be disqualified.
>
> </vent>
>
> Steve, I hope to see you again in VHFContests --- we all need
> participation.
>
> 73,
>
> Gerry, W1VE / VE1RM / 6Y6C
>
> On Jan 24, 2008 10:14 AM, Steven Kerns <n3fti at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > >
> > > I wonder how the heck is all this going to get
> > > policed, or if it's even possible..?
> > >
> > > bill, k1dy
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Hello Everyone,
> >
> > I have kept quite on this subject for quite a long
> > time.  It is one of the very reasons why I quit
> > roving, disassembled my rover trailer, have left VHF
> > contesting and let my ARRL membership lapse.
> >
> > Seems like everyone wants to talk about the rules, but
> > what good are they if they are not enforced?  The
> > people that are not within the rules should be called
> > on the carpet by their peers including the ARRL but I
> > do not see that happening.
> >
> > Who are these people? What are their calls and what is
> > the response from the ARRL?  Has anyone been
> > disqualified from a VHF contest because they broke the
> > rules?  Maybe it has happened, but I cannot ever
> > remember hearing about it.
> >
> > There are many many stations out there not playing
> > fair.  This is not a hobby to them, it is a all out
> > war with all rules expendable when winning the contest
> > is at stake.  I have seen it, many of you have too.
> >
> > Until the rules are being enforced there are no
> > rules...
> >
> >
> > Steven Kerns N3FTI
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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