[VHFcontesting] psyched out

Mon Feb 16 01:26:26 EST 2009

Hi Ron,

Perhaps I shouldn't have said "large". Of course, nothing has been settled as to rules, but the general feeling out there is that 6-character grids would be used for the report. If that were the case, then it probably would not be a big deal, as long as all the contests were run the same way. If they weren't, then there would probably be confusion at each running of a contest, resulting in extra workload at the contest desk, getting things straightened out. Also, I would think that the Cabrillo file would have to be modified and a calculator function added to compute points for each contact. 

I can understand a desire for a change of pace. You might be right about assigning more points for each distant contact. But, that wouldn't cause me to work harder to get distant stations. I work hard to get the distant stations now.

I have not worked any distance scoring contests outside of the Stew Perry. I liked the SP because the exchange was not a "given." You actually had to copy the guy's grid locator. This might be a good point for those in favor of distance based contests with 6-character grids as the exchange. It might not be for others. For instance, while it might be easy enough to copy DELTA NOVEMBER ONE THREE from here in CN87, as it is now, copying DELTA NOVEMBER ONE THREE MIKE GOLF might not be.

I guess I'm resistant to change. I'm happy with the contests the way they are now. I wouldn't fight a change, though.

73, 
Paul, K7CW

--- On Sun, 2/15/09, Ron Hooper <w4wa at alltel.net> wrote:
From: Ron Hooper <w4wa at alltel.net>
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] psyched out
To: k7cw at yahoo.com
Cc: "VHF Contesting Reflector" <vhfcontesting at contesting.com>
Date: Sunday, February 15, 2009, 9:24 PM

Hi Paul

Can you help me to understand why you think the work load would increase on the sponsors for distance scoring? 

I didn't think we are actually talking about a new set of rules only the way the score is compiled for the contacts. Isn't that correct?

I don't know what the scoring results will be since I have never operated a VHF distance scoring contest. I have operated the Stew Perry challenge on 160 cw and enjoyed it. After operating various HF and VHF contest for 39 years with similar traditional scoring formats, changing to VHF distance scoring might be fun. 

I don't think distance scoring is actually about who is going to be the new winners when it is all over. However, I can see that working several stations in a dx grid in an opening will count the same for each contact using distance scoring, instead of just another point after the initial contact using grid multipliers. Many contesters are dxers at heart and may like the idea of getting rewarded with extra points for each dx contact. 

Have you operated a distance scoring contest? If so, was it more fun? 

Ron W4WA

On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 11:08 PM, Paul Kiesel <k7cw at yahoo.com> wrote:

Frank,

You didn't have to take that quote out of context, but it still applies. Your other enhancement didn't help you, either.

In an indirect way, I addressed the "situation" in California. But, since you decided to broach the subject directly, here is my reply: Nobody is breaking any rules. In my opinion, the ARRL is off beat by having a word like "intent" in the rules. There should be no interpretation going on. Having someone decide whether there is intent or not is ridiculous, in my opinion. Apparently, the interpretations arrived at by the group in Califonia is different from yours. Beyond that, they won their categories in the contest by following the rules and were not disqualified. I told you before, that if I had the resources, I would get a crew together myself to take Wayne and his bunch on. As you can see, I don't have a problem with Wayne and his methods of winning. Ask yourself if you thought that you would place first in the US if they didn't. If the answer is yes, then get set up to beat them next time. If the answer is no, then you have no beef since you are not

 in the same ARRL division.

As far as the distance scoring thing goes, I'd rather not change. It would be change of pace for the competitors but would mean a large increase in workload for the sponsors. I think the winners of contests under the present set of rules would continue to win under a new set of rules.

Why the HF chick down the street? Wasn't she married to Borat or something? ;-)

73,
Paul, K7CW

--- On Sun, 2/15/09, frank bechdoldt <k3uhf at hotmail.com> wrote:

From: frank bechdoldt <k3uhf at hotmail.com>
Subject: [VHFcontesting] psyched out
To: vhfcontesting at contesting.com
Date: Sunday, February 15, 2009, 6:49 PM

A snip from paul, A guy I really do like, becuase he usually makes me think.

"A solution for achieving high esteem: If you find that you probably
won't win, Drop back and consider just having fun by competing with those

whom you have similar circumstances, try to improve on previous scores that
you've made or just have fun in the activity by participating."73,
Paul, K7CWK7CW

Come on Paul, the group in California has no/few peers becasuse the majority of

rovers honor the intent of the ARRL  rulemakers who put value in the contest.

Even if I was to take out my brain and say lunchg box/ grid circling  roving in
the begining class and traditional class was fair it would not be sportsmanlike

or good for the contest as a whole.  The best example is profesional sports with
salary cap. Its done to keep things competive. Would people be interested in
sports if stienbrenner exclusively cloned the best players in baseball history

and the Yankees beat every team for a 100 perent record for the next decade?
People in Boston aLLREADY KNOW HE'S DOING THIS. If the rest of baseball said
it was unethical, would it be wrong for the other teams to address it in a

political manner?

Count me in to help with distance scoring ARRL sponsered or not. ARRl fixes
this issue or not.  There needs to be more variety in the VHF bedroom, or we
might have to step out with that HF chick down the street.

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