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FW: [AMPS] smoked TL922

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Subject: FW: [AMPS] smoked TL922
From: w4eto@rmii.com (richard w. ehrhorn)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 19:13:33 -0700
Hello all...

Apologize for unconventional format and incomplete text on some of my postings 
-- local gurus tell me to dump MS Exchange and get Eudora.
Hope this one is all here.

#### My comments are marked ####

Dick W0ID
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From:   Rich Measures[SMTP:measures@vc.net]
Sent:   Monday, December 08, 1997 11:38 AM
To:     km1h @ juno.com; amps@contesting.com
Subject:        Re: [AMPS] smoked TL922

>
>On Sun, 7 Dec 97 17:31:47 -0800 Rich Measures <measures@vc.net> writes:
>>>
>>>On Sun, 7 Dec 1997 11:26:57 EST JW KIMBALL <JWKIMBALL@aol.com> 
......snip...snip...snip
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>Personally, I prefer the chokes since as current absorbers of minor arcs
>from gas, etc they will not blow or collapse. Once the event has passed
>the amp works as before. 
>
It might be interesting to high-pot such a tube immediately after the 
suspected gas arc, just to see whether the tube is gassy or not -- unless 
you subscribe to the rauchian vanishing gas theorum.  .  

#####
>From our experience over 25 years and many thousands of tubes, it's very clear 
>that in the vast majority of cases, after one or two BANGs early in life, the 
>tube continues on for a normal lifetime of normal performance, just as if 
>nothing had happened.  If the cause wasn't gas or some other physical anomaly 
>that is basically eliminated by the arc - if in fact it was parasitic in 
>nature - what killed the parasite during the BANG? Especially if parasitic 
>suppressor R increased as a result? Would seem that gain at the parasitic freq 
>would be higher, not lower....?
 
#### Also, it's much more common in our experience for a new tube to BANG when 
in standby with full cutoff bias applied rather than when running RF, keyed or 
key-down.  How to explain that? Seems like most these are most unfavorable 
conditions for spontaneous start of a VHF parasitic - or any other sort of 
oscillation. #####

>>>In extreme cases when the tube arcs or shorts you will also take out the
>>>Zener D-2, and Bias diode D-1 and caps C-3 and C-26.
>>
>>If a gassy tube arced between the anode and the grounded grid, how could 
>>current flow in the cathode bias Zener?  
>>-  With zero volts bias between the grid and the cathode, the tubes draw 
>>around 300mA of cathode current.  I don't see how 300mA could blow the 
>>cathode bias Zener, Carl.  
>
>Which goes first...the grid choke or the zener?  

There is typically a big bang, and subsequently the blown choke and the 
shorted Zener are discovered during the repair process.

>And if C3, C26 and D-1
>also blow would that not assume a rather high voltage thru that path?

Agreed, Carl.  However the current path of an anode to grounded grid arc 
is not through components in the cathode.  

######
How about the fault current return path from ground back to HV neg? Don't have 
a schematic of the 922, but if the HV supply negative isn't bolted to ground 
(i.e., if the bias supply or zener is between HV- and ground), the natural 
fault current return path is from ground via the bias supply (zener or 
whatever) back to HV neg. A 200 or 400 surge-amp shunt diode (big enough to 
survive several discharge cycles of the HV filter cap through the I- limiting 
series Z) is typically used to protect the bias supply.  ####

##### Dick  W0ID   ######



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