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Subject: Fw: [Amps] modern 811 designs?
From: 2 at vc.net (2)
Date: Sat Apr 5 06:31:53 2003

>Hi Dan, 
>-
>The W6SAI Handbook, the Heathkit Warrior, the 
>Collins 30L-1, various ARRL Handbooks and 
>QST Mags through the past decades. 
>- 
>Of course a few of the above mentioned can be 
>found on the http://sonic.ucdavis.edu  Amateur 
>Radio Page. 
>- 
>I've seen a few of the other amps replies... my 
>only other "two cents" are to comment on 
>statements made in the Ameritron Mag Ads 
>about mounting 811a tubes horizontal. 
>- 
>There is a recommended axis for horizontal 
>811a mounting. 
>-
>But the Ameritron Ad states/hints horizontal 
>mounting is bad news. At first glance, grid 
>sag damage might make sense... 

?  The problem is not grid-sag, it is filament sag when the filament is 
hot.  The W-shaped filament sags no matter how it is oriented, but when 
the W is vertical, the filament-to-grid spacing is not affected, so there 
is no problem.

>but I've 
>never heard or seen of an example of an 
>811a sag failure. 
>- 
>Furthermore, I trust the former Collins 
>Engineer(s) who designed and sent the 
>30L-1 design through to production. My 30 
>plus year aged 30L-1 has never had a bit 
>of trouble... still 100% original although I do 
>slow start the unit for the sake of the filter 
>caps. 
>-
>I also believe neutralization is not required 
>for a typical 811a layout. 

?  In g-g configuration, the only place where neutralization is needed is 
above the grid-resonance freq.  However, there is nothing in Eimac's  
"Care and Feeding..." on how to achieve this.  The Gonset 201 and the 
Heath Warrior 811A amplifiers tried to neutralize their g-g 811A 
amplifiers, but both gained a reputation for oscillation.   Heath never 
again produced a "neutralized" g-g amplifier.  The first Ameritron 
811amplifier that I saw managed to "pop" and shatter the filaments in its 
811As while it was being operated by someone who I consider to be a 
knowledgeable operator.   A post-mortem  investigation with a dip-meter 
showed a sharp anode resonance dip at c. 95MHz.  
>- 
>cheers
>skipp 
>-
>[snip]
>--------- Forwarded message ----------
>From: "Dan Evans K9ZF" <danlevans@msn.com>
>Hi Folks,
>Can anyone point out any good 811a amp designs on the web, or elsewhere?
>I'm considering building an 811 based amp for a "beginner-amp-builder"
>project.  Basically, I'm just looking for something fairly simple, and
>cheap, I can build and learn from.  Besides, I probably have most of the
>parts I need in the old junk box.
>I am aware of a couple of designs on the ARRL's web site, but the newest
>one
>there I've found is 40 years old, there is bound to be some newer designs
>out there:-)
>And please, no flames from the anti-CB crowd.  I have absolutely no
>interest
>in 11 meters, or any illegal operations.
>Thanks,
>Dan


-  R. L. Measures, a.k.a. Rich..., 805.386.3734, AG6K, 
www.vcnet.com/measures.  
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