The difference in gain of a 1/4 wave vertical with 16 1/4 wave
radials over good ground and a dipol at 1/2 wave height is also 8db...
Stations with beams should never compete with owners of simple antennas
as its unfair ;-)
73
Peter
Von: "Stan Stockton" <k5go@cox.net>
> Rich - I am surprised that you would laugh at 8 db and refer to it as
"only" 8 dB - harly noticeable with QSB."
>
> 8 dB is only the difference between your average, city-lot shunt fed tower
on 160M and perhaps the highest gain 160M antenna in the world which, just
like having that gain in transmit power, is no advantage on receive because
a good beverage system would outperform that antenna on receive. 8 dB is
"only" the difference between a stack of five element yagis (10 elements)
and approximately sixteen five element yagis (80 elements) in phase which
would also perhaps be the largest antenna system on any HF band.
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