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Re: [CQ-Contest] WW SSB - the corruptive influence of packet

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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WW SSB - the corruptive influence of packet
From: "David Robbins K1TTT" <k1ttt@arrl.net>
Reply-to: k1ttt@arrl.net
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:09:36 -0000
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Trying to ask node sysops to shut down during a contest would be a futile
effort.  The spotting network was designed and constructed by and for
contesters and will not shutdown just because someone thinks they want a
contest without it.  you can suggest this all you want, but it just ain't
going to happen.


David Robbins K1TTT
e-mail: mailto:k1ttt@arrl.net
web: http://www.k1ttt.net
AR-Cluster node: 145.69MHz or telnet://dxc.k1ttt.net
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com [mailto:cq-contest-
> bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of N7MAL
> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 23:22
> To: Bill Parry; cq-contest@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WW SSB - the corruptive influence of packet
> 
> And therein is the problem. You, and others, said: ""Outlawing packet
> tomorrow would not
> have the impact that many might hope. We have large numbers of stations
> that
> are not entering the contest but just hoping to work a few new
> countries.""
> 
> How do you know? Why not give it a try? Voluntarily ask all the nodes to
> shut down during CQWWCW. My prediction is the only loser will be the
> sponsor because a majority of the scores will be down. Contesting without
> a crutch, what an intriguing concept.
> Again I ask why not give it a try?
> 
> 
> MAL         N7MAL
> BULLHEAD CITY, AZ
> http://www.ctaz.com/~suzyq/N7mal.htm
> http://geocities.com/n7mal/
> Don't worry about the world coming to an end today.
> It's already tomorrow in Australia
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Bill Parry
>   To: cq-contest@contesting.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 0:10
>   Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WW SSB - the corruptive influence of packet
> 
> 
>   Folks,
> 
>   I realize that packet causes lots of problems in contests but it is not
> the
>   cause of all evil in contesting. There have been lots of stations that
>   identify infrequently for years...certainly before packet was in common
> use.
> 
>   It is really easy to blame the things you don't like for the all the
>   foolishness we hear in the contests. Outlawing packet tomorrow would not
>   have the impact that many might hope. We have large numbers of stations
> that
>   are not entering the contest but just hoping to work a few new
> countries.
>   (We hope lots and lots of these stations.) They will continue to use
> packet
>   and cause whatever negative consequences that result.
> 
>   Considering the large numbers of Multi's, assisted stations and stations
>   that don't enter the contests, the numbers of S/O stations improperly
> using
>   packet is probably a pretty small percentage. This isn't to say that
> what
>   they are doing is right. It is not. I just think that the number is
> pretty
>   small considering all the "smoke and fire" that this topic has
> generated.
> 
>   Hopefully, any change in the contest rules will be well-considered.
> Changes
>   can have both positive and negative consequences. I sure hope that we
> don't
>   make the rules so "pristine" that it's no fun anymore.
> 
>   Bill, W5VX
> 
> 
> 
>   >
>   >The really annoying thing I found this weekend were the stations
>   >who were only identifying every 5 or 10 minutes because they
>   >had a steady diet of packet assisted stations feeding their pileups
>   >who knew their callsign a priori. As a single-op unassisted, it's a
>   >royal PITA when you are trying to make the most of your operating
>   >time to have to sit on a frequency for 5 or 10 minutes listening to a
>   >huge pileup and wondering if you really need that station for a
>   >multiplier because he won't identify.
>   >
>   >Packet can be fun if your just chasing DX, so I won't rain on
>   >packet user's parade (sometimes I am a packet user), but I just
>   >wish that the rare DX in the contests wouldn't assume that we
>   >are all using it all the time. Send your call each QSO like
>   >ZD8Z/N6TJ does.
>   >
>   >73 de Mike, W4EF.....................................................
>   >
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