Martin,
You're taking what I said out of context. Note I said "new" contester
not "experienced" contester. A new contester isn't going to be running
two frequencies (like you gave in your example) and grabbing packet
spots at the same time like AA3B would. I would equate most new
contesters to be a casual operator who's going to use band map in N1MM
and point and click to work stations. They're probably not going to try
to run stations. Plus I don't see any special skills that you need to
use the DX Cluster.
Jeff
On 3/13/2021 02:48 PM, Martin, LU5DX wrote:
You are totally wrong Jeff.
Operating using the DX Cluster takes a lot more skills than just
running two pileups without any additional information.
I think I don't need to explain why, since your way of thinking
reduces the use of cluster to just pointing and clicking.
73,
Martin, LU5DX
El sáb., 13 mar. 2021 1:43 p. m., Jeff Clarke <ku8e@ku8e.com
<mailto:ku8e@ku8e.com>> escribió:
Many newer contesters don't know any other way to operate a
contest than
operating assisted. They spend every contest just pointing and
clicking
on spots, which doesn't really involve any skills at all. I see many
posts on 3830 of those who comment they did no S&P at all and make
all
their QSO's by clicking on spots in the band map. If you have a nice
station you can do pretty good operating this way. You can usually
have
a higher score than someone that is a more skillful operator but
has a
lesser station. Those of us who don't like this way of operating are
often criticized as being not "keeping up with the times" or old
fashioned.
I can totally understand why Bud thinks assisted is the way to go.
AA3B
along with others such as K3WW, K5ZD, N3RD and others are all
accomplished SO2R operators, like to operate assisted and have nice
contest stations. Adding assistance allows them to maximize their
scores. There are other accomplished operators such as N6MJ, KL9A and
N2NT and others that aren't really into operating assisted. So why
should a single person decide that everyone should operate the way
they
prefer to operate? I run the Georgia QSO Party and I make all my rule
decisions based on feedback I get and not my personal preference.
There
are rules I want to change but I don't because of that feedback I
get.
Bud heard lots of feedback on this reflector that opposed this rule
change but chose to ignore it and go with his personal preferences.
I've been a contester for many years and frankly I'm turned off
buy some
of the current rules in contests. The "skill" factor doesn't
really seem
to matter as much as it did in the past. Many of you that have been
around awhile before assistance and SO2R came about might remember
back
in the day when those who had the highest contest scores were
those who
made the right decisions such as "what band should I be running
on" or
"should I take a break right now". Those days are gone because with
today's assistive technology you don't have to make that decision.
Either way I will still operate contests (especially CW) because
that's
what I've done my entire amateur radio life. I'm not so concerned
about
winning anything because I'm out gunned. It's just for the love of
contesting I have.
Jeff KU8E
On 3/12/2021 09:41 PM, N4ZR wrote:
> I had missed this change in the WPX rules, which I deplore, and I'm
> glad that N6MJ et al have taken up the cudgels. In my opinion it
> never made any sense to merge assisted and unassisted. Even
though I
> largely operate assisted, the distinction is real and should not be
> ignored. If the best operators went assisted, they would
definitely
> win, because S&P rates (when dueling 2-band CQs slow down) and
> multiplier totals will definitely show an effect. Let those who
want
> one or the other make their choice - don't pretend there is no
> practical difference.
>
> 73, Pete N4ZR
> Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
> web server at <http://beta.reversebeacon.net
<http://beta.reversebeacon.net>>.
> For spots, please use your favorite
> "retail" DX cluster.
>
> On 3/12/2021 6:23 PM, Ken K6MR wrote:
>> This is wonderful! Many have talked about doing something like
this,
>> but you have grabbed the ring!
>>
>> Thank you and I look forward to the results. Real contesting!
>>
>> Ken K6MR
>>
>> From: Daniel Craig<mailto:unassistedchallenge@gmail.com
<mailto:unassistedchallenge@gmail.com>>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 10:05
>> To: cq-contest@contesting.com
<mailto:cq-contest@contesting.com><mailto:cq-contest@contesting.com
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>> Subject: [CQ-Contest] The 2021 Unassisted Challenge
>>
>> We invite U.S. Amateurs to participate in the 2021 Unassisted
Challenge.
>> The Challenge is open to Amateurs in the lower 48 States who enter
>> the 2021
>> CQ WPX SSB and/or CW contests in the single-op category but do
NOT use
>> spotting assistance. Even though CQ WPX no longer recognizes
separate
>> unassisted categories, we feel the need to continue having such
>> categories.
>>
>> To enter, email your Cabrillo log (as submitted to CQ WPX) to
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<mailto:unassistedchallenge@gmail.com>. Please indicate from which
CQ Zone you
>> operated in the text of the message. We also encourage you to
post your
>> score to www.3830scores.com
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<http://www.3830scores.com>> and select the
>> unassisted overlay.
>>
>> High Power and Low Power winners in CQ Zones 3, 4, and 5 will
receive a
>> plaque (six plaques available in each event). We encourage
operators
>> throughout the world to participate as single-op unassisted
also, but
>> plaques are only available for the lower 48.
>>
>> Full details and rules coming soon! Send any questions to
>> unassistedchallenge@gmail.com
<mailto:unassistedchallenge@gmail.com>. Please forward to your
friends and
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>>
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>> Dan N6MJ
>>
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