Point taken Jeff.
Vy 73,
Martín, LU5DX
El sáb., 13 mar. 2021 5:12 p. m., Jeff Clarke <ku8e@ku8e.com> escribió:
> Martin,
>
> You're taking what I said out of context. Note I said "new" contester not
> "experienced" contester. A new contester isn't going to be running two
> frequencies (like you gave in your example) and grabbing packet spots at
> the same time like AA3B would. I would equate most new contesters to be a
> casual operator who's going to use band map in N1MM and point and click to
> work stations. They're probably not going to try to run stations. Plus I
> don't see any special skills that you need to use the DX Cluster.
>
> Jeff
> On 3/13/2021 02:48 PM, Martin, LU5DX wrote:
>
> You are totally wrong Jeff.
> Operating using the DX Cluster takes a lot more skills than just running
> two pileups without any additional information.
> I think I don't need to explain why, since your way of thinking reduces
> the use of cluster to just pointing and clicking.
>
> 73,
>
> Martin, LU5DX
>
> El sáb., 13 mar. 2021 1:43 p. m., Jeff Clarke <ku8e@ku8e.com> escribió:
>
>> Many newer contesters don't know any other way to operate a contest than
>> operating assisted. They spend every contest just pointing and clicking
>> on spots, which doesn't really involve any skills at all. I see many
>> posts on 3830 of those who comment they did no S&P at all and make all
>> their QSO's by clicking on spots in the band map. If you have a nice
>> station you can do pretty good operating this way. You can usually have
>> a higher score than someone that is a more skillful operator but has a
>> lesser station. Those of us who don't like this way of operating are
>> often criticized as being not "keeping up with the times" or old
>> fashioned.
>>
>> I can totally understand why Bud thinks assisted is the way to go. AA3B
>> along with others such as K3WW, K5ZD, N3RD and others are all
>> accomplished SO2R operators, like to operate assisted and have nice
>> contest stations. Adding assistance allows them to maximize their
>> scores. There are other accomplished operators such as N6MJ, KL9A and
>> N2NT and others that aren't really into operating assisted. So why
>> should a single person decide that everyone should operate the way they
>> prefer to operate? I run the Georgia QSO Party and I make all my rule
>> decisions based on feedback I get and not my personal preference. There
>> are rules I want to change but I don't because of that feedback I get.
>> Bud heard lots of feedback on this reflector that opposed this rule
>> change but chose to ignore it and go with his personal preferences.
>>
>> I've been a contester for many years and frankly I'm turned off buy some
>> of the current rules in contests. The "skill" factor doesn't really seem
>> to matter as much as it did in the past. Many of you that have been
>> around awhile before assistance and SO2R came about might remember back
>> in the day when those who had the highest contest scores were those who
>> made the right decisions such as "what band should I be running on" or
>> "should I take a break right now". Those days are gone because with
>> today's assistive technology you don't have to make that decision.
>>
>> Either way I will still operate contests (especially CW) because that's
>> what I've done my entire amateur radio life. I'm not so concerned about
>> winning anything because I'm out gunned. It's just for the love of
>> contesting I have.
>>
>> Jeff KU8E
>>
>>
>> On 3/12/2021 09:41 PM, N4ZR wrote:
>> > I had missed this change in the WPX rules, which I deplore, and I'm
>> > glad that N6MJ et al have taken up the cudgels. In my opinion it
>> > never made any sense to merge assisted and unassisted. Even though I
>> > largely operate assisted, the distinction is real and should not be
>> > ignored. If the best operators went assisted, they would definitely
>> > win, because S&P rates (when dueling 2-band CQs slow down) and
>> > multiplier totals will definitely show an effect. Let those who want
>> > one or the other make their choice - don't pretend there is no
>> > practical difference.
>> >
>> > 73, Pete N4ZR
>> > Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
>> > web server at <http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
>> > For spots, please use your favorite
>> > "retail" DX cluster.
>> >
>> > On 3/12/2021 6:23 PM, Ken K6MR wrote:
>> >> This is wonderful! Many have talked about doing something like this,
>> >> but you have grabbed the ring!
>> >>
>> >> Thank you and I look forward to the results. Real contesting!
>> >>
>> >> Ken K6MR
>> >>
>> >> From: Daniel Craig<mailto:unassistedchallenge@gmail.com>
>> >> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 10:05
>> >> To: cq-contest@contesting.com<mailto:cq-contest@contesting.com>
>> >> Subject: [CQ-Contest] The 2021 Unassisted Challenge
>> >>
>> >> We invite U.S. Amateurs to participate in the 2021 Unassisted
>> Challenge.
>> >> The Challenge is open to Amateurs in the lower 48 States who enter
>> >> the 2021
>> >> CQ WPX SSB and/or CW contests in the single-op category but do NOT use
>> >> spotting assistance. Even though CQ WPX no longer recognizes separate
>> >> unassisted categories, we feel the need to continue having such
>> >> categories.
>> >>
>> >> To enter, email your Cabrillo log (as submitted to CQ WPX) to
>> >> unassistedchallenge@gmail.com. Please indicate from which CQ Zone you
>> >> operated in the text of the message. We also encourage you to post
>> your
>> >> score to www.3830scores.com<http://www.3830scores.com> and select the
>> >> unassisted overlay.
>> >>
>> >> High Power and Low Power winners in CQ Zones 3, 4, and 5 will receive a
>> >> plaque (six plaques available in each event). We encourage operators
>> >> throughout the world to participate as single-op unassisted also, but
>> >> plaques are only available for the lower 48.
>> >>
>> >> Full details and rules coming soon! Send any questions to
>> >> unassistedchallenge@gmail.com. Please forward to your friends and
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>> >>
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>> >>
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