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On Nov 11, 2009, at 6:29 PM, "Marshall Stewart" <marsh@ka5m.net> wrote:
Douglas,
I'm the whiner? Exactly what did I whine about? Maybe you need to
re-read
the string of e-mails below. I'm not the one whining about Ten-
Tec. You're
already taking care of that.
Do you even have a callsign?
-----Original Message-----
From: tentec-bounces@contesting.com [mailto:tentec-
bounces@contesting.com]
On Behalf Of Douglas Shock
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:44 PM
To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Fwd: Final Firmware O2
Marshall...
If you are asking what source of info I used to draw my conclusions
that the
big boys have moved on...well I can't say there is one defacto
standard
document I used to establish this viewpoint. However, go look at the
equipment setups listed when scores are posted. Hum...that might
tend to
lead you to a new idea. Still try8ing to find your call on the top
10 list.
Can you point me to something on this?
I personally discredit most ARRL equipement reviews as crap at best.
You
want to hang your hat on Fox-in the - henhouse testing than be my
guest.
Let's not deviate from the original purpose of my breaking wind
here. I
think it was something to do with TenTec, I either love my radio and
your a
whiner, Or...you are a whiner because TenTec left the customer in
the cold.
Either why...let's get back on subject as this thread has lost its
entertainment value.
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Marshall Stewart <marsh@ka5m.net>
wrote:
Douglas,
You made a statement that "If it (the ORION II) was such a great and
finished product then why did most if not all of the Ham Radio's Top
contest-DX operators bail on TenTec?". I was just curious to know
what
source of information you based your statement on. Also, I was
curious to
know if your source also included information on what transceivers
"top
contest-DX operators" were bailing to. I find it telling that you
did not
respond to either question.
The article in NCJ did not come out of a fiery bush onto a tablet of
stone,
but the author did cite ARRL Lab test data. A reasonable person
might
consider that more than just "opinion".
Marsh
-----Original Message-----
From: tentec-bounces@contesting.com [mailto:tentec-
bounces@contesting.com]
On Behalf Of Douglas Shock
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 12:34 PM
To: tentec@contesting.com
Subject: [TenTec] Fwd: Final Firmware O2
Well, I think it is the authors responsibility to not show BIAS so
I take
his review not as fact but as his opinion. If you choose to use this
authors
"opinion" as fact then more power to you. Secondly, do you place
yourself
in the ranks of ON4UN and company?
Listen, I am just stating what I see as fact in my small meaningless
little
world. I "Personally" disagree with TenTecs product management. I
am not
going to debate my own opinion with you or anybody else as this
reflector
wore me down years ago.
So take your jab, have the last word...whatever it takes to ensure
"you"
are
happy.
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Marshall Stewart <marsh@ka5m.net>
wrote:
Douglas,
What is your source of information for your following statement?
"If it was such a great and finished product then why did most if
not
all
of
the Ham Radio's Top contest-DX operators bail on TenTec?"
What did they bail to?
The National Contest Journal July/August 2009 Volume 37 Number 4
contains
an
extensive article on "Choosing an HF Radio for Serious Contesting
and
DXing". Of the four (4) transceivers the author picks, the Ten-Tec
ORION
II
is one of them.
I'm not convinced that I've ever missed a DX or contest QSO that I
could
have worked if I had been using something better than my ORION II.
73,
Marsh, KA5M
-----Original Message-----
From: tentec-bounces@contesting.com [mailto:
tentec-bounces@contesting.com]
On Behalf Of Douglas Shock
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:02 AM
To: Scott Harwood; Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Final Firmware O2
Whiners? Do you really feel that was required Scott? So your level
of
expectation on a delivered product is different than others. I
personally
find no fault in OI-OII owners holding TenTec's feet to the fire
on the
marketing campaign they used for both radios. that hardly makes me a
whiner.
If it was such a great and finished product then why did most if
not all
of
the Ham Radio's Top contest-DX operators bail on TenTec? Maybe
they knew
something you don't?
Sure, in its base form it is a fair radio. But face the facts
man...you
really believe they got the firmware right? And to release a beta
with
enhancements that in themselves are broke but no fixes and then are
never
heard from again? Sounds like the joke is on the operator if you
support
this business practice.
So drive on if you still drink the TenTec coolaid or just find it
necessary
to defend your spent monies. But respect the rights of others
homie...
Hiding behind your keyboard with big mouth and no accountability
is not
a
good thing.
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:25 AM, Scott Harwood
<scotthsr@earthlink.net>wrote:
I couldn't have said it better, Dennis.
Good job. I hope enough "whiners" read it.
Palstar does have great stuff. I have two tuners. They could
improve
on
answering emails, though.
Scott K4VWK
-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis OConnor <ad4hk2004@yahoo.com>
Sent: Nov 11, 2009 8:37 AM
To: tentec@contesting.com
Subject: [TenTec] Final Firmware O2
Hmmm, some of you need to cut back on the coffee...
The O2 is a fine radio, well positioned in the upper reaches of
ham
radio
transceivers...
The biggest whine I see is that they are not producing enough
firmware
changes to make you happy..
It appears that some believe the K3 radio with its rapid parade of
firmware revisions is somehow superior because it needs frequent
revising
-
this does not bespeak superior, to me; adaptable maybe, a secondary
hobby
in
it's own right, but not necessarily superior......
Then I read the moaning about the O2 sweep; and they didn't do
this,
they
didn't do that, etc...
Last time I checked the ads the K3 does not have a sweep screen...
But
somehow, not having a sweep screen makes it the superior radio,
because
Orion is not upgrading its sweep screen fast enough - the logic of
that
escapes me...
If you want a radio with a fancy sweep screen get a Pro III...
If you want an even fancier sweep screen get an LP PAN for your
Orion
/
K3...
If you want an even fancier radio get one of the $11K to $13K
models
from
the land of the rising sun - but don't expect the factory to answer
the
phone and put the technician that built and aligned your radio on
the
phone
to talk you through a problem - which both Orion and Elecraft do
routinely...
I happen to have the O2... I have looked hard at the K3 with the
more
capable sub receiver - as recently as 2 weeks ago... But, the less
desirable ergonomics of the radio outweigh the receiver advantage
and
I
opted to stay with the Orion for the third year... The O2 has the
best
combination of receiver and ergonomics I have found in 45 years
of ham
radio...
Lastly, I am thrilled to have Ten Tec and Elecraft slugging it
out in
the
ham radio arena... A vast improvement over the import radios that
have
dominated the ham business for some time..
And while I am mentioning US companies, let me point out that
PALSTAR
acquired the Commander amplifiers and has put considerable time,
innovation,
and money, into improving those amps until they appear to me, to be
the
best
amps in the business... They now have a complete line of tuners,
meters
and
high quality amps... You could do a lot worse than spend your ham
dollars
with them - and drive that amp with a new O2 or K3...
denny / k8do
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