You're entirely right, John.
As long as it's within the rule boundaries, there is no need for ethics to
be involved.
Guess I'm too old and crotchety to discuss what I think anymore.
BTW, I haven't written down anything but the important stuff I copied in 55
years.
Phil C. Sr.
k4dpk
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Graves" <jh.graves@verizon.net>
To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: [TenTec] wither CW?
> Not to be combative but.....
>
> why is different than someone using cw skimmer along with an automated
> contest program so the only code involved 99% of the time is which
> function key needs to pushed. I will admit that a very high percentage
> of contesters can copy the code and are utilizing technology to increase
> the score. If you allow one then why not the other? I don't believe
> that the rules require anyone to actually copy the code by hand.
>
> John / WA1JG
>
>
> Phil Chambley Sr. wrote:
>>
>> Possibly I didn't clarify my point to the extent necessary. I have
>> nothing
>> against the use of keyers, bugs (I use both) or even keyboards for
>> sending.
>>
>>
>>
>> But nowadays one can find a DX station's frequency on a cluster, have the
>> computer copy him and then press a button to send a canned transmission,
>> and
>> do all this without being able to copy his own name at 5 wpm. These are
>> the
>> ones to which I referred, and I think there should be a scoring
>> difference
>> for those, compared to folks who actually do know the code at whatever
>> level.
>>
>>
>>
>> It bothers me to hear someone say he worked a station on CW, when in
>> fact
>> he can't copy or send at any speed.
>>
>>
>>
>> Phil C. Sr.
>>
>> k4dpk
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "N4PY2" <n4py2@earthlink.net>
>> To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>
>> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 6:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [TenTec] wither CW?
>>
>>
>>> Nobody that is at all serious about contesting uses a straight key. I
>>> know
>>> many contesters, many who are highly skilled at CW. They all use keyers
>>> with memories to send their CQ's and copy in their heads to get the
>>> QSO's.
>>> All these people can easily copy CW at 40+ wpm in their heads. The
>>> keyers
>>> are just a mechanism to send the CW with. It is almost impossible to
>>> send
>>> CW at 20 wpm or higher with a straight key. They do not use code
>>> readers.
>>> Code readers are useless during typical QRM during a contest.
>>>
>>> Carl Moreschi N4PY
>>> 121 Little Bell Drive
>>> Hays, NC 28635
>>> www.n4py.com
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Richards" <jruing@ameritech.net>
>>> To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 6:22 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [TenTec] wither CW?
>>>
>>>
>>>> I don't want to hijack the thread or cause a flame war, but I agree
>>>> with the notion there should be more points awarded to contesters
>>>> (contestants?) who actually pound out the code with their fist, and who
>>>> do not use electronic keyers to generate transmitted code. I thank we
>>>> should reward the operator for HIS skill, not that of his computer. I
>>>> know this would slow the pace, and reduce the number of contacts, but
>>>> it would be the operator, and not his computer at work. If contests,
>>>> like field day, are to simulate high pressure, need to operate NOW,
>>>> scenarios, then he would need to have his own ability to pound the
>>>> brass, as a computer may not be available. I don't use a voice keyer on
>>>> SSB contests for the same reason. If I can't talk for 24 hours, and
>>>> the
>>>> other guy can, he deserves to win.
>>>>
>>>> And, parenthetically, I'm finding this code thing terribly difficult
>>>> to
>>>> learn!
>>>> But I will get there, eventually...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just my take....
>>>>
>>>> Happy trails.
>>>>
>>>> ==================== Richards - K8JHR ====================
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5/24/2010 4:56 PM, Jim Brown K9YC wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Virtually ALL serious contesters use computers to SEND CW,
>>>>> but the vast majority I know of use the computer between
>>>>> his/her ears to COPY it.
>>>>>
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