Hi all,
I agree with Gary: the operator makes a big difference.
Our brains are all wired differently, but as a rather experienced
weak-signal CW op I have difficulty with the notion that, at normal sending
speeds
(i.e., not QRSS), the eye is going to see CW signals that the ear cannot
detect. This is especially true in the presence of QRM. That's been my
experience anyway.
73 Ray W2RS
In a message dated 8/30/2011 1:33:06 P.M. GMT Standard Time,
glhuber@msn.com writes:
There's not a lot of difference between the top 10 radios listed in Rob
Sherwood's chart..... and for 90 to 95% of the operators reading the
charts,
the differences between ANY two radios from the top of the listing to down
25 or 30 entries would be insignificant.
Like automobile racing, price and performance specifications do not
determine the winner rather it’s the operator's skills and experience with
the equipment.
I'm having much success with a radio well down on the chart, running
mostly
at 100W (with RF clipping) breaking pile-ups for DX without using the 1.5K
amp. I also have an old Corsair II which still gets the job done and
really
gives up little except for the close in Dynamic Range in those huge up two
CW pile-ups.
73 es DX,
Gary - AB9M
-----Original Message-----
From: Floyd Sense
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 7:29 AM
To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
Subject: Re: [TenTec] What Radio?
Stuart - Forgive me for venting on this subject, but Rob Sherwood's
chart is perhaps the most misunderstood piece of information in ham
radio today. It is not, and was never intended to be, a grading of the
quality of receivers. What it IS, is a list of receiver performance
parameters "Sorted by Dynamic Range Narrow Spaced".
I suggest that narrow spaced dynamic range is NOT as important in the
grand scheme of things as most believe it to be and that 99% of guys who
make a buying decision on that basis could not even explain the symptoms
observed in a receiver with relatively poor narrow spaced dynamic
range. When I last checked, Rob Sherwood's favorite "go-to" rig was
still the Icom IC-781 - rather far down the list. There are many other
factors more important to making a good decision on what to buy if you
want the "best" for your situation.
I've owned K3s, an FTDX-5000 and now an Orion II in the past year - all
near the top of the list, but that wasn't the reason I owned them. I
found the K3 lacking in many respects, and the FTDX-5000, while a great
receiver, has perhaps the worst CW transmitter we've seen in recent
decades. I won't go into that here in detail, but if you intend to buy
one of those for CW work, do your homework on the problems. Your
comment on trying to see what you are considering is right on. And,
there's no substitute for having one on your operating table for a week
or more so that you can find all its "warts" on your own.
I disagree with the comment on spectrum displays. Ever since my Icom
781, I've understood the value of a spectrum display on an HF
transceiver even though that on the 781 was rather crude by today's
standards. Today, I use an Orion II modified to output the first IF to
the rear panel, which is fed to an SDR-IQ receiver using SpectraVue
software for the spectrum display. Your comments lead me to believe
that you view a spectrum scope as a means of looking at signal quality
(may have misjudged that), but that's not the way I use the scope.
I'm a CW operator with keen interest in DXing and I use the scope to see
signals that I'd never find by just tuning around and listening. With
the arrangement I have now, I can see a blip on the scope for any signal
that I can hear, even those down in the noise. So, I can watch a dead
or nearly dead band and sometimes see a signal blip far from the
frequency I'm tuned to. A quick mouse click on the signal tunes the
Orion to that frequency and a QRZ often raises a DX station that
otherwise wouldn't be worked.
There are a lot of very good Japanese rigs (that aren't near the top of
Rob's list), going back over a decade, that would fill the bill for most
operators today. But, quite to my surprise, I found the Orion II with
SDR-IQ superior in many ways to the best that the Japanese have to
offer, regardless of where they appear on the list. Anyone who believes
that the K3 is an overall better rig than the Orion II probably hasn't
tried an Orion II.
73, Floyd - K8AC
On 8/29/2011 11:12 PM, Stuart Rohre wrote:
> Hello,
> The quandry of what radio is faced by us all. I rely on Sherwood
> Engineering reports to grade the receivers, and the Yaecomwoods
> invariable pale compared to Elecraft K3, K2, and Ten Tec offerings.
>
> The Eagle is a very compact radio which is valuable to me for Field Days.
>
> I have an Argonaut Five, which has almost the same easy to learn front
> panel. That is also important to me, and harder with the Yaecomwoods.
>
> You really should try to get to see one of whatever radio you are
> considering.
>
> If you really want a spectrum display, get a spectrum analyzer, but they
> do not make very good ham communications or DX receivers.
>
> There are outboard devices that could allow you to view the signals in
> your IF bandwidth, but your ears are the ultimate test equipment. You
> have to be able to hear the signal to work it, unless you are using PSK
> 31 or modes like that, which do use a waterfall display. But if your
> interests are voice DX and CW, I think you want a Ten Tec and the Eagle
> is a great radio for the price.
>
> Good Luck and Good DX!
> Stuart Rohre
> K5KVH
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